Total NOOB in need for assistance

[EasyTarget]

Hello!

 

A friend just introduced me to this game, and I just have to say it; WOW, this game is going to consume way to much of my time:joystick:

So much to learn...

My friend gave up this game before even getting started, so unfortunately hes not able me to help at all.

 

Im sorry to ask these nubb questions but im so frustrated and focused on finding out whats going on that I cant even consentrate on learning anything else....

 

So, in the training missions I dont have this "problem" but when i try real missions it pops up.

 

My frustration starts when im diving for gun run / rockets my TVV allways (not in training) drops so fast under/below my ccip sight.

Its like having a rubberband attached to the plane pulling me twards the ground.

 

I realise that this is stupid and poorly explaind but what option or system do I have turned on/off making the plane behave like this?

In training this dosent happen, also plane feels a lot different and easy to manuver.

Cant be wind pulling me down on every mission right?

 

Im sorry for long post , nubbishness and poor english, but someone please help me im in dire need of assistance.:helpsmilie:

 

I know im a nubb so CMS is off cause I probably deserve the incoming flack!

[Jona33]

Welcome to the Forums. Everyone here is happy to help, I'm off to look up the meaning of TVV:) (I'm new too) See If I can get back to you.

[Azazel]

Welcome to the party man. Get comfortable because this sim does take some time to get the hang of but its well worth it. To me it sounds like you need to increase your dive angle a bit there. I try to make mine at least -20 degrees when attacking a main battle tank. Attached is a photo that shows exactly what a proper HUD looks like in order to knock out a tank and another for a CCIP drop with Mk-82 slicks. Hope this helps.

Edited October 21, 2011 by Azazel

[Jona33]

Ok. I'm guessing here but check your airspeed. If you could post a track (On debriefing screen select Save Track, come here, click Go advanced and click on the little paper clip icon to attach it) where this happens it would be useful so we could check. Glad to know that you're wiling to dive into the game. It is great fun.

 

EDIT: You've probably got better advice from Azazel so take a look at that.

[EasyTarget]

Thx for the reply guys! I have only been playing this game for 4 days (mostly waching tutt vids) so im pretty much clueless, but what i do know is that this game is awesome and I realy want to get the hang of it.

 

First time ever I have blown off a date and friends whit weak excuses to stay at home and play in the weekend.

Im totaly hocked!

 

I will try dive angle, but im pretty sure thats no it...

About the airspeed, what should it be, and should i reduce speed + use speedbrakes?

 

I will do a fast run and try to uppload track.

 

Thx again

[Ragtop]

Are you starting the aircraft from cold or are you starting on the runway/in the air?

 

I ask this because if you are ramp starting you may have missed something in startup that affects the handing of the aircraft.

 

A lot of people have difficulty setting up EAC (Enhanced Attitude Control) at first because they haven't waited for the INS (Inertial Navigation System) to align itself properly. Even worse you could have forgotten to engage SAS? (Stability Augmentation System) You'd find then that the aircraft would be in a bit more of a dancing mood, especially under more strenuous activity (Attack runs).

 

Of course if you have a TVV on the HUD then you'll have EAC on, but something similar could be the cause.

 

Finally it could just be the pressure of targets that shoot back that's throwing you off. Drill those training missions until you're certain you can't get it wrong :P

[Balu0]

Sounds to me you are going too fast and/or too low.

Check in the training mission your altitude and speed, than replicate that in the mission. If it still feels different, than you surely have some systems in wrong configuration.

[EasyTarget]

Ok, I saved a track...

Have no idea how tracks work or if i even managed to upload it, but here goes ...

 

I realy have no clue to why tvv is always fall below ccip, but I hope it can be figured out from track:music_whistling:

 

I watched the track and I might be comming in a bit fast but i have tried with extreme low speed to, and it dosent seem to make anny differance.

 

Anyways, this community seems very helpfull, whitch is a real morale boost for me when it comes to dealing with games as complex as this.

 

Thx again for the replies:thumbup:

 

Edit: start is allways in air or at runway, cold start is still a bit to complex for me.

But I think there is some option or system not abled or disabled that does this...

Or maby its just the way its suppose to be(hope not)

dcs test track.trk

Edited October 21, 2011 by EasyTarget

[Evil.Bonsai]

After viewing the .trk file: The TVV is falling low because you're turning at stall limit. The BEEEEP sound is a warning while the fast BEEP BEEP BEEP is telling you you're past the limit. It's ok to be there, so long as you don't stay there. I won't comment on the scenerio in general (Really? Strafing a ZSU? That's just CRAZY! :) ) but as to the TVV falling low, I didn't see much of an issue as you were nose down and gaining speed AND the Stall Warning Horn (fast beep beep beep, not the AAA bididiididididi) turned off.

 

So long as you're having fun, fly how you want, but I'd urge using Sim Mode and no labels. But that's just me :)

Edited October 21, 2011 by Evil.Bonsai

[159th_Viper]

^^^^^^

Aye - depending on what you do, the direction of flight and the direction of the aircraft's longitudinal axis do not necessarily have to correspond. At the end of the day, if you carry on with what you're doing, the aircraft will land up at the point where the TVV is pointing/indicating - that's the important thing to remember.

[EasyTarget]

After viewing the .trk file: The TVV is falling low because you're turning at stall limit. The BEEEEP sound is a warning while the fast BEEP BEEP BEEP is telling you you're past the limit. It's ok to be there, so long as you don't stay there. I won't comment on the scenerio in general (Really? Strafing a ZSU? That's just CRAZY! :) ) but as to the TVV falling low, I didn't see much of an issue as you were nose down and gaining speed AND the Stall Warning Horn (fast beep beep beep, not the AAA bididiididididi) turned off.

 

So long as you're having fun, fly how you want, but I'd urge using Sim Mode and no labels. But that's just me :)

 

 

Like I saied, im a total nubb:) Im hopeing to get good enough to play sim mode, also my goal.

I know the scenerio is bs but i thought it would make you understand what i meent whith the TVV, just an example to get out my point.

 

Im not trying to do missions yet, I was just practicing gun runs when i suddenly noticed it was so different from the training missions.

I got stuck trying to figure out why i was pulled twards the ground in that way.

 

So if I understand correct, reason is that im turning to fast?

All systems are the way they should be and what not?

 

Its strange because in the training missions plane seems very different to maneuver pluss the tvv never falls below the ccip...

 

If this is the way its supposed to be im ok with it I guess, and when i have checked it out its back to training for me...

 

AND, Im having insane great time just training, havent even started flying :)

 

Btw, what is ideal airspeed when doing gunruns, and are u using speedbreaks?

 

Once again, THX for the help!

[159th_Viper]

Training missions are flown in SIM mode.

[Evil.Bonsai]

Couple things:

 

Plane could be flying differently than training mission if you're not setting it up with the same weapon loadout. If you're carrying a heavier (or lighter) loadout, the plane will fly differently.

 

I'd say setup a bunch of trucks or apcs to practice gun runs, then later progress to tanks. Try setting PAC on and off. Leave the vehicles that are DESIGNED to shoot you out of the sky 'til later, when you start practicing Mavericks and higher altitude bombing.

 

Yes, the faster turns are pushing the plane past the stall point (the fast beep beep beep). When you hear the long BEEEEP horn, start to ease off a little on the stick. Practice flying at the limit. Again, it's not really an issue unless you STAY past the limit, especially close to the ground. You won't have enough altitude to gather enough energy to ramain flying, then crash. Just be aware of what those two sounds are and how to react to them.

 

Gun strafing has all sorts of tactics. Against unarmed trucks? Go as slow as you want w/o stalling and light them uip. Against APCs or Tanks? Better check those youtube tutorials. APCs are softer than tanks, but they LIKE shooting at you. Tanks can be much harder and will shoot at you with their pintle-mount machine guns.

 

One thing I noticed in your .trk file, after you strafed, you just pulled up/away in a straight line. You really don't want to do that. Try turning back and forth and diving/climbing. You don't want to be an easy target after strafing.

 

As for difference between Sim and Game mode, I couldn't tell you. I've never used any of the 'game' settings (invulnerable, infinite ammo, easy comms, etc)

Edited October 21, 2011 by Evil.Bonsai

[EasyTarget]

Training missions are flown in SIM mode.

 

Thankyouthankyouthankyou!!!

 

This was the "PROBLEM", and why it FELT so wrong!!!

I guess it was me enabling more options than the unlimited ammo for the gun run training and forgetting to turn it off again:doh:

Game flight mode or avionics, damn you....

 

What does any of thes modes do that makes the TVV get so low?

 

Anyways thanks a 1000 for the replies and help everyone!!!

When I finaly get ready for bed this wont be pestering my mind atleast.

 

Damn this game is gonna steal som important houers of beautysleep from me, and I realy needs it:)

 

Btw. can anyone tell me if they are using speedbreaks or what the ideal airspeed for gunruns is?

 

 

THX AGAIN!!! I am saved!

[Evil.Bonsai]

Thankyouthankyouthankyou!!!

 

 

Btw. can anyone tell me if they are using speedbreaks or what the ideal airspeed for gunruns is?

 

 

THX AGAIN!!! I am saved!

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=72549&highlight=tanks+101

 

Tanks 101, everything you need to know about employing the GAU-8/A against tanks (and any other ground target)

[Harzach]

Im hopeing to get good enough to play sim mode

 

I think you may have already come to this conclusion, so I may be belaboring the point, but if you have any plans to approach this sim the way it is "meant" to be flown, game mode is literally a waste of your time. When you switch over to sim mode, you'll find that you still need to learn basically everything, as well as un-learn what game mode taught you.

 

Welcome and enjoy! And say "goodbye" to your friends and family for a while!

[Rongor]

Harzach is right. Dont understand game mode being in any way meant for getting you "ready" for real mode. You wont lower the learning curve by playing game mode, so better start with the real sim right now.

[159th_Viper]

What does any of thes modes do that makes the TVV get so low?

 

Again - nothing........The TVV is just indicating where the plane is gonna end up if you keep on doing what you're doing. TVV getting low? It's as a consequence of what you are doing at that moment with the flight-stick.