LO1.2´s Ka-50 & Kuznetsov

[JACN]

Will the Ka-50 be allowed to operate from Kuznetsov carrier in LO1.2?

 

(May it not in the real life, don´t know exactly)

 

If so I think it will highly enrich the campaign/mission enviroment.

[Sealpup]

I dont think the Shark opperates off of the Kuz. However, I think the Russians have a few helicopter carriers (Something like the US Wasp and Tarawa) that they might be ble to work off of.

[plug pray]

I guess that in 1.2 u will have that ability.

[Force_Feedback]

So, why souldn't we be able to launch Mig-31s from the Kuznetsov? Or the An-30?

 

the ka50 is a land attack chopper, it lacks the gear to land or take off from the Kuz

[BeetleJuice]

Whats the difference for the landing gear landing on a farp or on deck of a kuz?

[Force_Feedback]

Whats the difference for the landing gear landing on a farp or on deck of a kuz?

 

Please think about water and the wind, specifically about the sea, just give it a minute, it will come to you.

[GGTharos]

Riight ... because the Ka-50 would have to do a high-speed, hard trap.

 

I think there are plenty of examples of real choppers landing on ships which don't need special landing gear to throw THAT idea right out the window.

 

The landing gear issue that applies to (heavy, HEAVY) jets doesn't really apply to helos. Youcould deploy a Ka-50 from the Kuz if you really wanted to. It's not what the Kuz was meant for, but there are no physical obstructions to this task, merely doctrinal.

[Gazehound]

You could spawn over it at least, if not on it - and easily land on it, there would be nothing to stop you. You can currently land all flyables on the Kuz.

[TCRaven]

If AH-64 can why not Ka-50 too... ;)

[JACN]

So, why souldn't we be able to launch Mig-31s from the Kuznetsov? Or the An-30?

 

the ka50 is a land attack chopper, it lacks the gear to land or take off from the Kuz

 

From rec.aviation.military FAQ by Ross Smith:

 

"The Kuznetsov also carries a number of Kamov Ka-27/28/29/32 helicopters, in various subtypes."

 

AFAIK Ka-32 IS an attack helicopter:

http://www.enemyforces.com/helicopters/ka32.htm

 

Is not the AH-1W an embarked ATTACK helo?

 

And also, I do not think that Ka-50´s retractil landing gear to be a problem. SH-3H Seaking and CH-53E SuperStallion are also embarked retractil landing gear helos.

 

So I don´t know exactly why the ka-50 couldn´t take-off/land from an aircarrier. Only Ka-50´s landing gear designers could affirm that.

[Doug97]

The British recently conducted successful trials of using unmodified Apaches from naval vessels.

[Force_Feedback]

And how would it fit into the hangar? By ejecting the crew?

 

And with water I also meant corrosion, that ka-50 will fall apart after a month or two on the Kuz (even if they can somehow get it inside the hangar)

 

And the pilot has no nav aids at all (no ils), besides his gps/glonass map and vhf radio, and there aren't many tanks in open seas (no BMPs don't cross the Atlantic)

 

Don't get me wrong, the Ka-50 is after the Ka-50B my favorite helicopter, because it looks so mean and has a rocket extraction system, but placing it on the Kuz is just the same as landing the su-25T on it, ok, its fun, but it wasn't meant for that.

[JACN]

And how would it fit into the hangar? By ejecting the crew?

 

How the US navy/marines fit their choppers in their carriers? ;) ....and how Kuznetsov fit its Ka27/.../32 in it :icon_excl ...perhaps folding rotor blades the same way used when transported? :icon_roll

 

And with water I also meant corrosion, that ka-50 will fall apart after a month or two on the Kuz (even if they can somehow get it inside the hangar)

 

Ok, ok, ka-50 hokum is the only machine affected by corrosion... :tongue: ALL the other world flying machines don´t do even when not embarked....:icon_jook

 

And the pilot has no nav aids at all (no ils), besides his gps/glonass map and vhf radio

 

Is the Ka-32´s avionics far superior than the more modern/advanced Ka-50´s one? :icon_wink

 

and there aren't many tanks in open seas (no BMPs don't cross the Atlantic)

 

jejejeje, tell it to US Marines (and Super-Cobra pilots) :tongue:

 

Don't get me wrong

You too...

[ALDEGA]

And how would it fit into the hangar? By ejecting the crew?

 

And with water I also meant corrosion, that ka-50 will fall apart after a month or two on the Kuz (even if they can somehow get it inside the hangar)

 

And the pilot has no nav aids at all (no ils), besides his gps/glonass map and vhf radio, and there aren't many tanks in open seas (no BMPs don't cross the Atlantic)

 

Don't get me wrong, the Ka-50 is after the Ka-50B my favorite helicopter, because it looks so mean and has a rocket extraction system, but placing it on the Kuz is just the same as landing the su-25T on it, ok, its fun, but it wasn't meant for that.

The question is "can you land a Ka-50 on the Admiral Kuznetsov?"...

 

Anyway, if you can fit an Su-33 in the hangar, then you should be able to fit a Ka-50 :)

[BearF_CO_159th]

In theory you *could* operate the Ka-50 from the Adm Kuz BUT as has been correctly said it would not be a realistic deployment of the aircraft because of the corrosion factor.

 

The comment about the WAH-64D (its correct title being the Apache AH Mk.1 in British service) being deployed upon HMS Ocean is correct altough IIRC they were modified for the deck trials (certain components and seals on the airframe were changed for anti-corrosion).

[Force_Feedback]

Why asking for something that is not done in the real world with the concerning aircraft?

 

you can even land the Airwolf on the Kuz, but it isn't done that way in real life, so why asking it for 1.2?

[GGTharos]

Airwolf doesn't exist.

 

And it's not like Ka-50 frames are at all modified for experimentation ... (cough)

[JACN]

In theory you *could* operate the Ka-50 from the Adm Kuz BUT as has been correctly said it would not be a realistic deployment of the aircraft because of the corrosion factor.

 

The comment about the WAH-64D (its correct title being the Apache AH Mk.1 in British service) being deployed upon HMS Ocean is correct altough IIRC they were modified for the deck trials (certain components and seals on the airframe were changed for anti-corrosion).

 

Saline/humid ambient is ONE important factor in the aeronautical structures corrosion factor but not the only, also stress loads (really important and dangerous), matherials quality, matherials compatibility, etc...are.

 

If you point to the corrosion factor (ambient induced) of course is an important one in ALL embarked aircrafts/helos...but also in the maintenance of combat aircrafts or even transport civil aircrafts deployed in coastal bases or airports.

 

But at the same time, seems Kamov´s design bureau have already successfully solved this problem related to its "coaxial-contrarrotatory-rotors" technology. You can see it with the KUZNETSOV EMBARKED Ka27-...-32 series :icon_excl

[Force_Feedback]

Airwolf doesn't exist.

 

The Ka-50 on the Kuz does?

 

Lomac is a combat flight sim, not a test pilot's sim, if you say that all ka-50s are test choppers, then why not add external cameras, flight testing pods, different Ir domes and the radar pod, so basically making lomac into a race tuning game with a chopper.

[JACN]

The Ka-50 on the Kuz does?

 

Lomac is a combat flight sim, not a test pilot's sim, if you say that all ka-50s are test choppers, then why not add external cameras, flight testing pods, different Ir domes and the radar pod, so basically making lomac into a race tuning game with a chopper.

 

Ok, man, repeat with me: "I do not want ED to even think of the (more than feasible) possibility of an Havok embarked...jolines!" :tongue:

[SUBS17]

The Kuz is a ship, a wide flat hard surface. Any helicopter can land on such an object in ideal conditions.

[Force_Feedback]

The Kuz is a ship, a wide flat hard surface. Any helicopter can land on such an object in ideal conditions.

 

Yes, as we are able to land the su-25t on the kuz now in 1.1, however this doesn't mean that we need a "take-off" option in the mission editor for the ka50 (to t/o from the kuz). I know this can be done through meint, so it's not a big deal for everyone wanting to t/o from a ship.

[Oceandar]

The question is "can you land a Ka-50 on the Admiral Kuznetsov?"...

 

Anyway, if you can fit an Su-33 in the hangar, then you should be able to fit a Ka-50 :)

We have a winner :D

 

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[GGTharos]

Force, get off your horse.

 

Your arguments are silly - the Airwolf doesn't exist, and won't exist. The Ka-50 on the Kuz can if so desired, AT ANY TIME.

 

Figment of imagination vs. Reality, get it? There are no physical barriers to this, only doctrinal.

 

A lot of Ka-50 frames are modified to test things, and it wouldn't be too surprising to see one with sea-corrosion proofing.

 

Just because something can do something, doesn't mean you should do it - but just because something isn't really intended to do something, doesn't mean you should remove its capability to do so.

 

How about removing all AG weapons from the Su-33, eh? I bet you the community would be up in arms.

 

Give it up.

[Oceandar]

cough "gameplay" cough