spikenet Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 Hi, Finally pulled the trigger on the warthog sticks. Currently using X52 Pro with SST profiles with all default keys in the sims A10+BS My questions are related to setup of the warthog, I want to have the ability to map the stick as it should be, at least in A10. I also use trackIR, TS3, VAC and one of the x52 wheels to zoom. I guess that I will have to use target software to map the extra "shift" modes of the warthog sticks? Any tips or existing profiles that would cover those 3 extra things I need? I'd like to minimixe downtime setting up and learning to cant wait, they should be awesome! :)
leafer Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 I don't have them but all the buttons are preprogrammed to function identically to the real hotas. ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P
PoleCat Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) If you use the default config for A10C it leaves mic switch up, mic switch push, and S4 (Paddle) available for use. I use TS push to talk on paddle, recenter TIR on mic switch up, and pause TIR on mic switch push. You can use these free buttons for VAC, TS, TIR etc. Also the slider on the throttle is good for zoom. The WH has got you covered man. Perfect. Enjoy it! :thumbup: Out Edited January 17, 2012 by PoleCat http://www.104thphoenix.com/
MTFDarkEagle Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 If you use the default config for A10C it leaves mic switch up, mic switch push, and S4 (Paddle) available for use. I use TS push to talk on paddle, recenter TIR on mic switch up, and pause TIR on mic switch push. Perfect. Out And the slew control push button :) Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
PoleCat Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 And the slew control push button :) ;) Nice! Didn't know about that one! http://www.104thphoenix.com/
MTFDarkEagle Posted January 17, 2012 Posted January 17, 2012 ;) Nice! Didn't know about that one! A lot of people apparently didn't know about that one :P Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
cichlidfan Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 A lot of people apparently didn't know about that one :P I use that one for zoom reset or as a modifier depending on which profile I am using. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
spikenet Posted January 18, 2012 Author Posted January 18, 2012 ah ok, I didnt realise the sticks had unused buttons. hmm, so if I wanted to have 2 modes: mode 1 - all default bindings mode 2 - a shiftstate to map other less used functions could I use target so when I press and hold the "mic" switch it goes to mode 2? would mode 1 need all the keystrokes mapping or can it just work in DX mode? Also, it seems target is very powerful for scripting, can I setup a mode where the sticks are less sensitive for refuelling etc? thanks
cichlidfan Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 ah ok, I didnt realise the sticks had unused buttons. hmm, so if I wanted to have 2 modes: mode 1 - all default bindings mode 2 - a shiftstate to map other less used functions could I use target so when I press and hold the "mic" switch it goes to mode 2? would mode 1 need all the keystrokes mapping or can it just work in DX mode? Also, it seems target is very powerful for scripting, can I setup a mode where the sticks are less sensitive for refuelling etc? thanks Yes you can have two modes, yes you will still have to map everything. Once you use Target, you have to specifically map each button/switch, you can set them to just send a DX but you still have to do it. You can alter curves with Target as well. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
spikenet Posted January 18, 2012 Author Posted January 18, 2012 ok great thanks for the info. Will start thinking about how to do it now then. Will see if target software can allow me configure without the sticks.. that would be cool as saitek you cant. cheers
Svend_Dellepude Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Avoid the TARGET software for as long as possible, it's the only annoying thing about the WH. I can't believe that thrustmaster didn't continue FOXY, it had so many more advantages and programming possibilities. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD.
PoleCat Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Avoid the TARGET software for as long as possible, it's the only annoying thing about the WH. I can't believe that thrustmaster didn't continue FOXY, it had so many more advantages and programming possibilities. I disagree. The TARGET software allows for all of the same types of button presses and creates files that while completely different are very similar in output to good old Foxy files. In addition to this the script editor is very powerful and can do all manner of very advanced progamming. More so than Foxy. Out http://www.104thphoenix.com/
cichlidfan Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 I disagree. Seconded. I have not used Foxy but from the examples of code I have seen around here I am not aware of anything that you can do in foxy that I can not do in Target. Aside from a very occasional conflict with my Logitech drivers, I have never had a problem that was caused by Target. That being said, there is an issue with the intregration of DCS A-10 and Target. If you create your own profile you will also have to build a lua file for DCS A-10 becuase the default lua file for the Warthog combined is hosed (and has been since day 1). ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Ells228 Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Just remember that Target creats a virtual device in Lockon/DCS instead of two seperate control interfaces. In case you wonder why certain custom buttons/switchs aren't set after running Target.
spikenet Posted January 18, 2012 Author Posted January 18, 2012 err ok.. So when you say create your own lua file, what does that entail? Hopefully not having to map all the keys/buttons within DCS manually.. What logitech conflicts? I use a G15 keyboard, thats the only logitech thing I have. Ells228, not sure what you mean about the virtual device, but I'm sure I will find out when I get the sticks ;)
cichlidfan Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 The Logitech issue is... About, guessing here, 1 out of 20 times when I load my Target profile, it causes the Logitech Gaming software to crash. That software is the same for all of Logi's gaming keyboards and without it the keyboard functions but without any profiles working. When it happens, I just restart the Logitech software and keep on going. No real problem. The lua issue with Target profiles works like this. When you do not use Target the sim sees the throttle and stick as two separate controllers, each with their own set 32 DX functions, plus hats and axis. If Target is used, the two are combined into a single 'virtual' controller. DCS sees this controller as a 'Warthog Combined' and it has its own default lua file. Unfortunately, this lua file is not correct and you will find yourself having difficulty getting some functions on the throttle panel to work. You also now have less DX functions available so it is best to use those for the switches on the throttle panel to ensure that they work properly in the sim. Creating a new lua file, the way I did it, involved using the lua file for the standalone throttle and cutting-and-pasting to insert the correct commands into the combined lua file. This will include the correct command and the default DX assignment. It is a bit of a pain but no worse than setting up any other new flight sim/controller combination. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
spikenet Posted January 18, 2012 Author Posted January 18, 2012 ok thanks, makes sense. I found a profile on the forum that is very close to what I want to do so will start with that. Last question, is there any advantage to leaving a button as DX as opposed to setting it as a keystroke?
cichlidfan Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Last question, is there any advantage to leaving a button as DX as opposed to setting it as a keystroke? For the toggle switches on the throttle base it is useful for two reasons. It eliminates the possibility of spamming a key if your code has an error and it is the easiest way to get that group of functions to act correctly in the sim. Of course, if you use the DX fundtions for something it also means you can free up those keys if you want to remap some of the keyboard functions. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Svend_Dellepude Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 I disagree. The TARGET software allows for all of the same types of button presses and creates files that while completely different are very similar in output to good old Foxy files. In addition to this the script editor is very powerful and can do all manner of very advanced progamming. More so than Foxy. Out Guess i have to look in to TARGET again. So target can create logical statements similar to the FOXY ones?, 'cus that was the thing i loved most about FOXY. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD.
cichlidfan Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Guess i have to look in to TARGET again. So target can create logical statements similar to the FOXY ones?, 'cus that was the thing i loved most about FOXY. Have a look at this thread. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=73271 ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
PeterP Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 (edited) Avoid the TARGET software for as long as possible, it's the only annoying thing about the WH. I can't believe that thrustmaster didn't continue FOXY, it had so many more advantages and programming possibilities. Just one side note - I f you need to program logical statements on the Warthog without braking the "plug'n'play" in DCS: Use Autohotkey - it has everything you need. I have only one single AHK profile that manages 5 different controllers in DCS-A10 -while I still using some of the DX buttons in-game. >>>Adding just one script to TM Warthog? Edited January 19, 2012 by PeterP
spikenet Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 Just one side note - I f you need to program logical statements on the Warthog without braking the "plug'n'play" in DCS: Use Autohotkey - it has everything you need. I have only one single AHK profile that manages 5 different controllers in DCS-A10 -while I still using some of the DX buttons in-game. >>>Adding just one script to TM Warthog? Thanks Peter.. Given you dont use Target I'm guessing the footprint of Autohotkey is alot less? I have looked at target and it actually seems pretty good, especially compared to SST. Is there a reason that some people are very anti-target? is it buggy or causes issues (aside from previous mentioned logitech issue) ?
PeterP Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 When you use TARGET, you would have to input all the commands on the target profile, not just the one you want. Up to now I didn't even noticed that AHK has a footprint at all! :D And as I said - you can make one profile that manages a great number of controllers - but you can also make on profile for even only a button. - and run many different profiles side-by side. AHK has no fancy GUI - but it has a very easy to learn syntax. - and a very good documentation.
spikenet Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 ok thanks, I'll take a look at AHK. That zoom on PAC script looks cool, I like the idea of doing those things. I'm sure TARGET could do it but why re-invent the wheel! Do you use something to test your key scripts? ie: some sort of virtual keyboard etc.
PeterP Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 you can open a OSK, a text-editor ... there are many programs for this... But most of the time , when I program something in AHK I have a mission of DCS open (windowed) so I can instantly see what the AHK profile does in the sim - and switch back and forth to the editor to make adjustments on the fly.
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