STP Dragon Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 What do you think who will win? Who will have the more detailed system depth? Let the fight begin! :argue: :prop: Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 By all means compare the features of the 2 products in a Civil, objective and reasonable matter. Do not however turn the discussion into a 'This-one-is-better-than-that-one' debate.They are both Apples, with the apparent distinction that the Apple on one side of the fence is indeed sprouting teeth! :) Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STP Dragon Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Basically I want to see some postings or videos from Wags about the defelopment of the P-51D and the love to the details which are constidered in the sim. A2A did a very good job with this little tiny details of the hyd. systems. And I think ED can do this even better! Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarthogSmurf Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Euh A2A is this an addon for FSX and not a full product as DCS will be. Frankly I myself dont hold FSX with much value I rather went for X-plane then ... but that was before I meet DCS =) And serioulsy just like Dragon said .. I want videos !!!!!!!!! and a beta / alpha .. love to fly it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STP Dragon Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Yes, A2A makes brilliant airplane-addons for FSX. And FSX can be very beautifull with ORBX terrain addons. So it will be hard for ED to beat A2A. Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madog Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 The one big advantage of ED is of course that they can alter thier respective engines if they want to. A2A has to work around shortcomings of FSX which is probably why ED's DCS will be way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primus_TR Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 It will not be easy to beat AccuSim. It even models combustion (not that ED P51 will not... it is just that we don't have the details yet). So, systems modeling-wise, I'm guessing ED P51 may have difficulty surpassing A2A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody96 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I, for myself, recon that model wise A2A and DCS P-51D will be on par. One thing that we won't get in DCS though, is A2A's "own a plane" simulation, meaning that even if you fly your plane perfectly you will nevertheless start with a plane with a bit more wear next time. What you will not get in A2A on the other hand is the ability to shoot at stuff and a proper damage model. so long Mathias My System: Intel Core i7-4770K, Asus ROG Strix RX480 O8G, 24GB Ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STP Dragon Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 @ Nobody96: +1 Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tintifaxl Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Somehow I don't care about A2A products. So for me the winner will be DCS:P-51D in any case ;) Edit: nice smiley in the product name! Windows 10 64bit, Intel i9-9900@5Ghz, 32 Gig RAM, MSI RTX 3080 TI, 2 TB SSD, 43" 2160p@1440p monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agg Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 To be honest, I think the A2A addons are a bit overhyped. I have the B-17, the Cub and the Spitfire and while they are all nice planes they are far from the revolution a lot of people make them out to be. There's a lot of details, like the maintenance hangar for the Spit, and while I think its a fun little detail I wouldnt miss it if it wasnt there, and it doesnt really add anything to the experience of flying a Spit. I feel confident that the DCS Mustang is going to be a lot more realistic and entertaining than anything A2A can ever come up with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primus_TR Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I feel confident that the DCS Mustang is going to be a lot more realistic and entertaining than anything A2A can ever come up with. More entertaining? Likely. More realistic? Possibly, but it remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yallu Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Realism: A2A wins; Fun: DCS wins. And DCS ain't going to be far behind in realism either... That's my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowhand Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 they both look great!But if there are no 50.cals (all 6 of them) or rockets and bombs then A2A could be a 757 as far as i go...the pt I'm trying to make is ones is Apples (a2a)and the other DCS is like a Banana Split...:megalol::thumbup::joystick: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] SMOKE'M:smoke: IF YA GOT'M!:gun_rifle: H2o Cooler I7 9700k GA 390x MB Win 10 pro Evga RTX 2070 8Gig DD5 32 Gig Corsair Vengence, 2T SSD. TM.Warthog:joystick: :punk:, CV-1:matrix:,3x23" monitors, Tm MFD's, Saitek pro rudders wrapped up in 2 sheets of plywood:megalol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueRunner Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 The wear and tear model that A2A offers is a big plus for me. This band spanking new aircraft each time you climb into the thing is one of the big things that annoys me immensely. With the price of ammunition these days do not expect a warning shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimFreak Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Since when did MS ever had good FM? Answer is never. What about damage model? Same....never. Where is apples to apples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 What i'd be interested in, how is the flight model of A2A products? Do they model all the prop effects like p-factor, precession, prop wash and also things like adverse yaw? Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Realism: A2A wins; Fun: DCS wins. And DCS ain't going to be far behind in realism either... That's my guess. The A2A P-51 is looking good, but I haven't seen anything in any of the A2A vids that you wouldn't expect from a DCS product*, and no mention of things that you would... (*Except - or including - the hanger and the ability to change propellers mid flight) Edited January 26, 2012 by Weta43 Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tusler Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I have all the A2A products, they are fantastic procedural sims but due to the limitations of FSX, DCS has them beat hands down when it comes to flight dynamics, and a few other things :) IMHO Oh and I also have all DCS products, I love quality so when they build it I will buy it :D Ask Jesus for Forgiveness before you takeoff :pilotfly:! PC=Win 10 HP 64 bit, Gigabyte Z390, Intel I5-9600k, 32 gig ram, Nvidia 2060 Super 8gig video. TM HOTAS WARTHOG with Saitek Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) I have all the A2A products, they are fantastic procedural sims but due to the limitations of FSX, DCS has them beat hands down when it comes to flight dynamics, and a few other things I see, thanks for the heads up. Edit: On second thought, didn't they bolt on the whole engine simulation thingie? Is this not possible for the FM too? VRS did that for their Rhino, right? Edited January 26, 2012 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winz Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Yes, the top addons (PMDG, A2A) use FSX mostly for rendering/UI interface. Some of them even use their own sound engine. I haven't tried any of the A2A stuff yet, but I judge they will be close to PMDG in terms of quality... The biggest problem is, that even if they use their own FM, you can still feel its FSX on the fluidity... The EDs FM is super-fluid and the transition are very, very smooth, you don't get that in FSX, even if the overal FM performance is excelent. The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom88 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Since when did MS ever had good FM? Answer is never. What about damage model? Same....never. Where is apples to apples? Actually these two points are something that A2A coupled with The Accu-sim expansion pack Excel at.A2A have been able to basically remove aspects of FSX(ie FM DM) and plug in their own systems. You can quickly overheat and burn out an engine in The Spitfire or P-40 if your not very careful with engine management. A2A makes fantastic immersive Warbirds,I believe they're the best/realistic that can be obtained in FSX. But for me,There Lies the problem.FSX.I believe FSX is just a bad buggy platform,and that's why I'm very much looking forward to The P-51 and any other Flying Legends Aircraft that ED/TFC make. Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Here's why I think ED will come out with a better product... Their parent company TFC owns a fully restored and flying P-51D. With access to it - the best reason why ED will release a superior product. With that said A2A may be really close, I don't know if we will see a "night & day" difference between the two. 1 Win 10 Pro 64Bit | 49" UWHD AOC 5120x1440p | AMD 5900x | 64Gb DDR4 | RX 6900XT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phuz Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 No guns no fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XarBat Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) No guns less fun After reading the FAQ, it sounds like ED wants third parties to make stuff that is compatible with DCS. So maybe an A2A 109 will be flying in the same skies as a TFC P51 in the future. Edited January 27, 2012 by XarBat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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