FreeTrack & TrackClip Pro?

[Zolitnitsky]

Looking into TrackIR and FreeTrack; wouldn't it be possibile to use just the TrackClip Pro with a webcam and the FreeTrack software? Or some sort of easier modification of it/ the two? Or I'm I just spinning? At least in my country the Clip is sold sepparately;

 

http://www.flightsimshop.se/product_info.php?products_id=181

369 SEK (55.46 USD)

 

The TrackIR is way too pricy and I'm nowhere near the handy type. An electrical hazard more likely. And as I still would have to buy bascially everything (tools; solder iron set, pliers etc - and adding the webcam) the price will not stay on a few dollars - or kronor in my case :smartass:!. (Still beeing cheaper than the big thing though).

 

My expectation was that even if you probably would need to do some additional work on it still would come out as nice compremise - possibly?:joystick:!

[Devrim]

I have no idea about TrackClip Pro. But simply, it seems 3-LED Clips Model for FreeTrack.

I think it works.

 

In FreeTrack software, just select 3 Points Clips Model. Maybe you need to update distance values between LEDs. That's it...

 

See the picture below.

[falcon_120]

I use a ps3 eye i got for 20 euros and a trackClip pro I got for 20 euros second hand.

Best 40 euros I've spent in a while,works flawlessly, no IR filter removal,just tweak a bit the

camera settings and that's it.There a videos in youtube of someone with the same configuration

playing DCS WH, you should take a look yourself.

[BIGNEWY]

I also use FREETRACK and trackclip pro with a ps3 eye camera, they work well together. :thumbup:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/album.php?albumid=607

 

 

 

[Suchacz]

http://www.flightsimshop.se/product_info.php?products_id=181

369 SEK (55.46 USD)

 

The TrackIR is way too pricy...:joystick:!

 

I don't think that it's way too pricy, I bought TrackIR 4 Pro for 75USD from one guy on our forum :thumbup: Of course without trackclip, only with hatclip.

 

I think it was worth it, freetrack can't compete with TrackIR, it's just a free alternative

Edited February 22, 2012 by Suchacz

[Zolitnitsky]

I use a ps3 eye i got for 20 euros and a trackClip pro I got for 20 euros second hand.

Best 40 euros I've spent in a while,works flawlessly, no IR filter removal,just tweak a bit the

camera settings and that's it.There a videos in youtube of someone with the same configuration

playing DCS WH, you should take a look yourself.

 

Sounds VERY interesting indeed! :thumbup: !! Will have to look into that! Just out of curiosity, does the PS3Eye and The Clipp need to be connected in some way? Or do they just work fine on separate USB:s and all? (Looking at pictures doesn't reveal much).

[Zolitnitsky]

I don't think that it's way too pricy, I bought TrackIR 4 Pro for 75USD from one guy on our forum :thumbup: Of course without trackclip, only with hatclip.

 

I think it was worth it, freetrack can't compete with TrackIR, it's just a free alternative

 

Well "just" a free alternative is perhaps a little bold to say, http://www.free-track.net/english/ , but I'm glad you're happy with the deal. However, as I also understand the TrackIR 4 differ from the 5 quite a lot, which also in terms of price was what I was referring to. So of coarse, second hand is not to bad either - if you can find one!

 

http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/02-products/trackir-product-comparison.html

 

75 USD is still money and a new TrackClip with webcam (if it works, which it seems) most certainly presents a tempting alternative!

[Zolitnitsky]

I also use FREETRACK and trackclip pro with a ps3 eye camera, they work well together. :thumbup:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/album.php?albumid=607

 

 

 

 

Definitely promesing! Will look into it! :pilotfly:!

[Aries]

I used PS3 Eye with some ugly 3 point clip. It worked without removing the IR filter...

But then I got a TrackClip Pro cheap from a squadron mate... The PS3 Eye wouldn't "see" it very good when turned to left & right, so I removed the IR filter and now it works really great...

...also had to tweak the model dimensions and model position.

 

Here is pic of my settings:

 

 

Here are a few links for the IR filter removal & types of PS3Eye (yes, there's two):

 

http://codelaboratories.com/research/view/ps3-eye-disassembly

http://www.peauproductions.com/blog/2009/04/17/the-two-types-of-ps3-eye-stock-lenses-pictures-of-each/

http://nuigroup.com/forums/viewthread/4189/

[Suchacz]

...I also understand the TrackIR 4 differ from the 5 quite a lot, which also in terms of price was what I was referring to. http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/02-products/trackir-product-comparison.html

 

Compare it with this http://naturalpointofview.blogspot.com/p/trackir-criticism.html#Specification_hype - marketing is only a game of numbers :smilewink:

 

I dont like NaturalPpoint company, but their products are still best on the market. Before I have bought TrackIr, I (of course) tried FreeTrack and also FaceTrackNoIR. But after i tried TrackIr I must say that it is way more precise and it has quicker responses than FT and FTNoIR...

[Zolitnitsky]

Compare it with this http://naturalpointofview.blogspot.com/p/trackir-criticism.html#Specification_hype - marketing is only a game of numbers :smilewink:

 

I dont like NaturalPpoint company, but their products are still best on the market. Before I have bought TrackIr, I (of course) tried FreeTrack and also FaceTrackNoIR. But after i tried TrackIr I must say that it is way more precise and it has quicker responses than FT and FTNoIR...

 

 

Well, if find one and the price is right I'll bare it in mind! :thumbup: Interesting and informative article too. I'm not all that technical so I can't argue any details but the company sure seem to have it's way with numbers. Nice to know about the limitations as well - or that you need to call your girlfried if (or rather when) the Clip thing brakes! :lol::lol::lol::lol:!!! http://www.2gvsap.org/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2716 !

[Zolitnitsky]

I used PS3 Eye with some ugly 3 point clip. It worked without removing the IR filter...

But then I got a TrackClip Pro cheap from a squadron mate... The PS3 Eye wouldn't "see" it very good when turned to left & right, so I removed the IR filter and now it works really great...

...also had to tweak the model dimensions and model position.

 

Here is pic of my settings:

 

Here are a few links for the IR filter removal & types of PS3Eye (yes, there's two):

 

http://codelaboratories.com/research/view/ps3-eye-disassembly

http://www.peauproductions.com/blog/2009/04/17/the-two-types-of-ps3-eye-stock-lenses-pictures-of-each/

http://nuigroup.com/forums/viewthread/4189/

 

Thanks! The model dimensions will surly come in handy :thumbup:! Otherwise, I'm trying to avoid solutions involving too much fiddeling about, however I've seen some similar things on other cameras reading the FreeTrack forum and as I understand it you do not necessarily need to remove the filter. It would suffice with just covering the camera with exposed film or likwise. Others, like above, seems satisfied as is, without any tampering, which perhaps is due to factors like the amout of light where you play. In any case, I'm very thankful for the information! :pilotfly:

[Suchacz]

...OR

you can wait fot Kinect release for PC :holiday:

 

...BUT(bad)

this waiting can take a looooooooong time :(

 

...BUT(good)

if Kinect will succeed, it can lower TrackIR price :clap:

[Zolitnitsky]

...OR

you can wait fot Kinect release for PC :holiday:

 

...BUT(bad)

this waiting can take a looooooooong time :(

 

...BUT(good)

if Kinect will succeed, it can lower TrackIR price :clap:

 

Was this what you meant?

 

http://www.newbiesinc.com/2011/11/07/kinect-for-pc-release-date-confirmed/

 

I don't even know what Kinect is (:huh:!) I somewhat came across it reading about the PS3 Eye, wondering if you also need this (!?); http://codelaboratories.com/downloads/ for the camera). But if it means lowering the price I'm all in! :)

[Zolitnitsky]

OR maybe not..

 

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/pd/productID.244210600

[Suchacz]

OR maybe not..

 

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/pd/productID.244210600

 

Looks like some developer's kit

"The Kinect for Windows sensor unit is intended to be used with the Kinect for Windows Commercial SDK . Note: The sensor unit does not ship with any software, and will only operate with an application developed for Kinect for Windows."

 

I haven't heard about any official PC drivers or game support till now...

Edited February 24, 2012 by Suchacz

[StoOopiD]

Should i use visible light filter for freetrack? i have a old floppy disc.

 

and how do i make the led's on the trackclip pro brighter?

[Megagoth1702]

There is no software-way to manipulate brightness of the "Pro"Clip LEDs. There probably is some hardware way but I don't know one.

 

TrackIR is an overpriced product, screw monopolism...

[robert123456]

Should i use visible light filter for freetrack? i have a old floppy disc.

 

and how do i make the led's on the trackclip pro brighter?

 

 

It depends on your camera, i have a cheap a4tech pk35n and didnt need any filter. Led brightnes depends on the type of led, power supply and the resistances between those two. You can go to the freetrack website look for the guides and make your own clip as bright as you want.

 

Also playing with your camera exposure settings as well as freetrack settings should be enough to make any led visible enough.

[mjeh]

Are you serious about flight simming or not?

 

If the answer is yes, you go buy a trackIR.

 

It's that simple. :)

[falcon_120]

Are you serious about flight simming or not?

 

If the answer is yes, you go buy a trackIR.

 

It's that simple. :)

 

Not really,I am serious about flight simming and I can assure you thatthe combination of ps3 eye with

the track clip pro has very little if any to envy the TrackIr 4.Bear in mind that the ps3 eye gives you 70+ fps,

much more than any regular cam.

[Megagoth1702]

Are you serious about flight simming or not?

 

If the answer is yes, you go buy a trackIR.

 

It's that simple. :)

 

Wow dude, it's never that simple. Please elaborate on how sitting down for 1hr, learning freeTrack software, building your own headtracker and having it work is NOT proof for dedication and being SERIOUS ABOUT SIMMING.

 

Not really,I am serious about flight simming and I can assure you thatthe combination of ps3 eye with

the track clip pro has very little if any to envy the TrackIr 4.Bear in mind that the ps3 eye gives you 70+ fps,

much more than any regular cam.

 

BTW - if I don't build my own headtracker this will also be my setup. I recently read/found out about how EASY it is to use that combination and how high quality the PS3 eye camera is for these purposes, and how god damn cheap.

 

Can't believe this POS clip is 40$ haha.

Edited December 10, 2012 by Megagoth1702

[Megagoth1702]

please delete me. dumb doublepost.

[mjeh]

Wow dude, it's never that simple. Please elaborate on how sitting down for 1hr, learning freeTrack software, building your own headtracker and having it work is NOT proof for dedication and being SERIOUS ABOUT SIMMING.

 

No need to get offended, buddy. My post was supposed to be a bit tongue in cheek, but it's hard to convey that properly in a written medium.

 

The point is if you spend a lot of time with flight sims then it is my firm belief that a trackir (I own a 5, can't attest for the 4) is well worth the investment. If you hack something different together and you're happy with the performance, then more power to you. I, however, opted for a high profile, quality product that is purpose built for what I'm using it for, and with TrackIR that's exactly what you get

[Megagoth1702]

I am not offended and yes, it's hard to get any irony & sarcasm working in the internet without smileys and such. :p

 

It's just that you make it sound like it's the only real deal thing out there. I also own a TrackIR 5 but when I bought it I did not know any convinient ways to get alternatives. TrackIR's main plus point is - it's plug and play. I know that when my TrackIR breaks down/stops working I am getting freeTrack.

 

 

High Profile - yes, everyone talks about it. High quality? Meh.

http://naturalpointofview.blogspot.de/p/trackir-criticism.html :(