Please reduce refueling difficulty.

[jp203000]

Refueling is too hard in DCS A10C . I can do that very well in FC2 and BMS , but in A10C I'm just like a drunken driver

:cry:

PS: Do you think Pedals are necessary for Refueling?

Edited March 3, 2012 by jp203000

[Speed]

Refueling is too hard in DCS A10C . I can do that very well in FC2 and BMS , but in A10C I just like a drunken driver :cry:

 

And while you're at it ED, could you give us infinite gun ammo, 40 AMRAAM missiles, afterburners, and let us pull continuous 10g turns like in HAWX? :)

 

Refueling is fine, actually. You just need some more practice/a better joystick curve/a better joystick (one or all of the above can prevent you from refueling).

Edited March 2, 2012 by Speed

[Dejjvid]

So you're saying that just because you are having problems with AAR, the sim is too difficult?

 

I've spent probably around 20hrs practicing AAR. I can fill up 10000lbs without disconnects in one try. Can i do it blindfolded? - No, not at all. I still have to focus 100%.

 

Adjust your curves so you are comfortable in both tight formation flying and AAR.

Learn to anticipate your movements.

Learn to nudge the throttles in small increments, adjust constantly.

Watch videos and learn how to approach the tanker.

Practice, practice and practice.

 

Soon you'll be able to AAR like a pro.

 

TL;DR:

AAR in BMS is a piece of cake. DCS requires more practice.

[Mirtma]

I've spent more than 20 hrs trying with one 5 sec. connect. Perhaps is joystick fault (not to precise), or it's mine. I've just stop trying. But almost every real mission has at least one air refueling ...

[Tucano_uy]

Yes, unless you have a very good joystick AAR is impossible. I tried many many many times to do it and I couldn't, my stick is just not precise enough.

Maybe, as there is a game mode and other "cheat" options, there could be an "easy refuel" option in the menu.

I wouldn't like to have it easier as standard, for the lucky guys that can and are willing to spend big bucks in sticks, then max realism is better. But for us with crap or old sticks AAR nowadays is totally not a possibility.

[Mirtma]

Yes, unless you have a very good joystick AAR is impossible. I tried many many many times to do it and I couldn't, my stick is just not precise enough.

Maybe, as there is a game mode and other "cheat" options, there could be an "easy refuel" option in the menu.

I wouldn't like to have it easier as standard, for the lucky guys that can and are willing to spend big bucks in sticks, then max realism is better. But for us with crap or old sticks AAR nowadays is totally not a possibility.

 

Yes, I agree with you. It would help that when you are within few cm from boom and with +/- few mph speed of tanker, it would connect you and set speed same as tanker. And that just as option.

[Scoggs]

Yes, unless you have a very good joystick AAR is impossible. I tried many many many times to do it and I couldn't, my stick is just not precise enough.

Maybe, as there is a game mode and other "cheat" options, there could be an "easy refuel" option in the menu.

I wouldn't like to have it easier as standard, for the lucky guys that can and are willing to spend big bucks in sticks, then max realism is better. But for us with crap or old sticks AAR nowadays is totally not a possibility.

 

My $70 T.Flight X from Thrustmaster does it perfectly. Well I paid $70 for it 4 years ago, I'm sure it's a lot cheaper now.

[Mirtma]

Well, if I'd have money to spend for new hotas I would already bought it. As I would bought TrackIR & pedals.

[MTFDarkEagle]

Try AAR in BMS 4.32. It's very easy, because in that simulator the KC-135's boom is more realistic. What I'm specifically talking about it the backpressure. Overtake the tanker with a small speed (i.e. about 3-5 knots difference), keep the throttle as is. Let the boom connect and the hydraulic pressure will push the aircraft back. In A-10C you have to constantly adjust the throttle.

[sobek]

Try AAR in BMS 4.32. It's very easy, because in that simulator the KC-135's boom is more realistic. What I'm specifically talking about it the backpressure. Overtake the tanker with a small speed (i.e. about 3-5 knots difference), keep the throttle as is. Let the boom connect and the hydraulic pressure will push the aircraft back. In A-10C you have to constantly adjust the throttle.

 

The boom is definately NOT laid out to deliver such a kind of force. The torque with such a long arm would be enormous.

 

MavJp has confirmed it himself that when connected, the flight model changes to a less realistic one to make refueling easier. You wan't refueling to be less demanding, ok, but don't try to rationalize easier into more realistic, because it isn't. ;)

[MTFDarkEagle]

You wan't refueling to be less demanding, ok, but don't try to rationalize easier into more realistic, because it isn't. ;)

Woowoooow hang on! I never said that!

 

I'm just stating my findings vs BMS and what the BMS/falcon developers developed and what I read/heard.

[Frostiken]

The boom is definately NOT laid out to deliver such a kind of force. The torque with such a long arm would be enormous.

 

Basic physics dictates that the boom will have some resistance and thus should even out overspeed *slightly* (5 knots sounds dubious), but right now it does, literally, nothing.

 

 

Seriously though, AAR is still the most buggy, unreliable pile of garbage in this game and it has been for several patches. It's actually getting kind of tiring that after many, many patches, both ILS and AAR are still basically broken. Tanker won't drop the boom unless I'm literally twenty feet away from him asking over and over for precontact... boom "jumps" up when you approach, boom doesn't properly steer up and down, requiring me to fly into the receptacle to some degree, tanker inexplicably stops giving you fuel, tanker forces you to disconnect for no reason, tanker doesn't even turn any effing lights on when it's night...

Edited March 2, 2012 by Frostiken

[WarthogSmurf]

Refueling is kinda easy when you get the hang of it. Their are multiple tweaks you can undertake which gives your joystick better movement.

 

Try setting up a curve of 15 9or what ever you find better) and you see it goes much smoother. In game you can set trim to allow lvl flight and someguys set the trim a little bit down because then they always have to pull the stick. Also never focus too much on the boom.

 

What I do want is a more realistic tanker. i dont know if the lights work which gives you direction (i can hardly seen them anyways). Also when you go to a tanker you request the amount of fuel you want say "Hawg 1-1 request 3000 pounds of fuel" the boom opertator will disconnect after this number has been reached.

 

And ofc the suddenlt 15G turns the tanker does .... thats always funny.

[Dejjvid]

The worst part isn't the preconnect thingy.

 

The worst thing that i really do hate is when the KC-135 pilot thinks that stomping full rudder with wings level is funny.

It sucks to connect, since you must bank your A-10, while the tanker is flying wings level.

 

 

Anyhow, AAR in BMS is fake. In BMS you just have to be somewhat near the tanker.

When you're close, the aliens activate the tractor beam and holds you under the plane.

 

As for the lights on the KC-135, i don't think A-10's use them. They're for aircrafts, such as the F-16 that go past the boom with the cockpit. Sucks to twist your neck 180...

[Speed]

Basic physics dictates that the boom will have some resistance and thus should even out overspeed *slightly* (5 knots sounds dubious), but right now it does, literally, nothing.

 

Yes, but would such an effect even be noticeable? That's dubious. If there is an effect, likely it would be able to correct like 0.1 knots overspeed, and unnoticeable. Be that as it may, I do get the feeling that there is some slight change once connected, but that may be totally a mental effect. Only way to find out for sure if there is a real-life effect would be to ask an air force pilot.

Edited March 2, 2012 by Speed

[sobek]

Seriously though, AAR is still the most buggy, unreliable pile of garbage in this game and it has been for several patches. It's actually getting kind of tiring that after many, many patches, both ILS and AAR are still basically broken. Tanker won't drop the boom unless I'm literally twenty feet away from him asking over and over for precontact... boom "jumps" up when you approach, boom doesn't properly steer up and down, requiring me to fly into the receptacle to some degree, tanker inexplicably stops giving you fuel, tanker forces you to disconnect for no reason, tanker doesn't even turn any effing lights on when it's night...

 

Sorry, i wasn't able to confirm any of the things you just mentioned.

 

Although i am quite rusty (i can't remember having refueled this side of new years) i was just able to get cleared for contact and refueled from 20% up to topped off with two tries (the disconnect was of my own making, as i said, i am a bit rusty). The having to fly into the receptecle is by design, so you start out in the middle of the refueling box, since you don't have the lights as reference. Shouldn't be too hard, though.

 

As mentioned, couldn't replicate any disconnects.

 

Btw. if he calls out 'breakaway', then you are approaching too fast.

Edited March 2, 2012 by sobek

[Username455]

Sorry, i wasn't able to confirm any of the things you just mentioned.

 

Although i am quite rusty (i can't remember having refueled this side of new years) i was just able to get cleared for contact and refueled from 20% up to topped off with two tries (the disconnect was of my own making, as i said, i am a bit rusty). The having to fly into the receptecle is by design, so you start out in the middle of the refueling box, since you don't have the lights as reference. Shouldn't be too hard, though.

 

As mentioned, couldn't replicate any disconnects.

 

Btw. if he calls out 'breakaway', then you are approaching too fast.

 

Try refueling online or in windy conditions. The tanker definitely gets buggy telling you to disconnect for no reason. Or saying transfer complete too early.

 

However, I disagree with op. it is tough but that does not mean make it easier. It means practice more. Took me a long time to be able to refuel, and I still haven't done it in 1 connect.

[Speed]

Try refueling online or in windy conditions. The tanker definitely gets buggy telling you to disconnect for no reason. Or saying transfer complete too early.

 

However, I disagree with op. it is tough but that does not mean make it easier. It means practice more. Took me a long time to be able to refuel, and I still haven't done it in 1 connect.

 

What's annoying is when you used to be able to do it in one contact, but now you usually disconnect at least once :doh: Of course, that may be because I only practice it like once every 3 weeks now.

[Frostiken]

As for the lights on the KC-135, i don't think A-10's use them. They're for aircrafts, such as the F-16 that go past the boom with the cockpit. Sucks to twist your neck 180...

 

I'm talking any lights at all. Finding the KC-135 at night was like trying to spot a black hole. I had to fly about 5,000 feet above him and look down to get visual.

[badger66]

What about an easy option in the game setup ? As there is a game mode , and a sim mode , would that be possible ?

 

Afterburner on an A-10 sounds the biz !!! lol

[clafly]

Now ..from ED.. the score to each refueling..ahahahah:doh:

[Scoggs]

I'm talking any lights at all. Finding the KC-135 at night was like trying to spot a black hole. I had to fly about 5,000 feet above him and look down to get visual.

I usually use the TGP in AG mode and FLIR so I can see the diamond. I just point the A/C towards the TACAN marker and slew the TGP around until I see it.

Well, if I'd have money to spend for new hotas I would already bought it. As I would bought TrackIR & pedals.

Sorry, I was just suggesting, I didn't mean to come off as pushy or anything. Not sure where you are located, but it goes for about $30-$50 in the US.

The worst thing that i really do hate is when the KC-135 pilot thinks that stomping full rudder with wings level is funny.

It sucks to connect, since you must bank your A-10, while the tanker is flying wings level.

 

 

Yeah that is really annoying. Although I'm glad it's not just me :D

[ALDEGA]

Woowoooow hang on! I never said that!

Try AAR in BMS 4.32. It's very easy, because in that simulator the KC-135's boom is more realistic.

... ;)

[MTFDarkEagle]

... ;)

By jezus you ant-f*cker ;) :D

 

Easy was perhaps not the correct word, but you know what I mean.

[ALDEGA]

you ant-f*cker ;) :D

That Dutch word doesn't translate well to English :D