Why not release a Beta Patch ?

[Guest ThomasDWeiss]

Why not ? a late Beta Patch?

[GGTharos]

Because it isn't out of Beta.

 

Aka not acceptable for consumption.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Why not ? a late Beta Patch?

 

No, please, do not release beta!

[Guest ThomasDWeiss]

Why not? we could even provide useful feedback.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Why not? we could even provide useful feedback.

I know I could not! That's why there are beta testers!

[VapoR]

I would prefer that they make smaller patches, but more of them (and more often). This waiting for 4-6 months for 1 patch sucks!! Most other companies would have given 3 or 4 in that time (Lead Pursuit for instance).

[KILSEK]

Hi all.

 

:icon_wink :icon_jook :icon_weed :biggrin:

 

I'd be a great beta tester.................yep, sure would, uh-huh, yep.

 

I could provide all kinds of feedback about how every jet I fly isn't working the way I THINK it should. That every missile I fire is porked. Hell, I'd even provide useful feedback about the depleted urainium rounds. I have a load of freinds who could help with the feedback too. They know someone who talked to someone who is related to someone that watched Discovery Wings and they say that it is not modeled right.

 

Yep, I'd be a great beta tester. So what do you say ED? Having me on the team would just speed the process right along.

 

-KILSEK

[Shaman]

Some sort of auto-updater for LockOn would be a cool addon. But the patches should be moreoften. yes.

Maybe ED has a huge mess in their code, and that's why with even a little change of something, like minor missaligned text, they break 3 other major things. ;)

jk ED :P

[ФрогФут]

I would prefer that they make smaller patches, but more of them (and more often). This waiting for 4-6 months for 1 patch sucks!! Most other companies would have given 3 or 4 in that time (Lead Pursuit for instance).

We don't need IL-2 patch situation, do we?:)

[bflagg]

I can see it now....

"why are we the beta testers for ED?.. blah blah blah..."

 

it's happened before, and that situation was totally misinterpeted by the LockON community... it was a real cluster ****.

[pappavis]

Because it isn't out of Beta.

 

Aka not acceptable for consumption.

 

 

End of discussion, it will be released when its ready. OR let the whining start.

[Pilotasso]

Second that. Im playing old games while I wait. LOMAC is resting for now. :)

[Guest ThomasDWeiss]

End of discussion, it will be released when its ready. OR let the whining start.

 

The whining season is on. Maybe a less ambitious patch would be best.

[ALDEGA]

How about we just wait.

[Dudikoff]

How about we just wait.

 

But that's the very thing we're trying to avoid; it's going to happen by default, anyway ;)

[Guest ThomasDWeiss]

I am waiting. One of the problems of BIIIIG patches - is that it takes so long to create them. I would rather see smaller patches being released every three months.

 

By the time this MEGA-Patch is released - late November, early December LOCK ON Black Shark 1.2 will be just around the corner, and it will be completely useless as most of us will move on to 1.2 .

 

Only those that buy at the bargain-bin will be happy.

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

Thomas, I understand how you feel, but there is effort involved in the act of releasing a patch so I can understand ED's attitude in getting "One patch to rule them all" so they dont have to expend the effort several times.

And it isn't really the effort of creating them, it is the effort of testing them. I worked on Air Traffic Control radar software for over 20 years - 5% of my job was the actual writing of the code, 20% doing design and documentation, 75% was testing.

 

So releasing (eg three) smaller patches takes even longer as you have three times the amount of testing to do. Much of the testing is regression testing, ie. checking that your patch hasn't mistakenly messed up areas that (should) be unaffected.

Also when you patch over older patches, it makes things tougher still, I know - I have had to do it back in the day at work - it is a real pain in the ass.

As for Black Shark, anyone who really thinks this will be out before (at the earliest) late summer 2006 is an eternal optimist and has no experience of Software Development.

[Guest ruggbutt]

So far they've been pretty good about the patches, and they didn't break much the first couple of them so I'll just sit here and wait. :D

[Glowing_Amraam]

Hi all.

 

:icon_wink :icon_jook :icon_weed :biggrin:

 

I'd be a great beta tester.................yep, sure would, uh-huh, yep.

 

I could provide all kinds of feedback about how every jet I fly isn't working the way I THINK it should. That every missile I fire is porked. Hell, I'd even provide useful feedback about the depleted urainium rounds. I have a load of freinds who could help with the feedback too. They know someone who talked to someone who is related to someone that watched Discovery Wings and they say that it is not modeled right.

 

Yep, I'd be a great beta tester. So what do you say ED? Having me on the team would just speed the process right along.

 

-KILSEK

 

ROFL

[Guest ThomasDWeiss]

Much of the testing is regression testing, ie. checking that your patch hasn't mistakenly messed up areas that (should) be unaffected.

 

True - I noticed how LO AI is sensitive to minimal changes when building missions, many times small changes resulted in the AI acting in a completely different way, showing how much coding went into creating the AI routines.

 

Even so, If the patch is released very late, it will be very disappointing.

 

Come March 1st, LO-BLACK S. be better ready, no BS.;)

[sixer]

hell no

 

We don't need IL-2 patch situation, do we?:)

even when thay gave you the hole pach it was still like the beta. if its going to be eney thing like il-2 pleassss hold off whate take your time! ;)

[Outlaw24]

It seems like people are getting frustrated waiting on this patch :confused:

[sixer]

ok here we go i do not know why thay call it a patch becose to patch is not to make something better its to cover or to stregthen a weak spot so do we need this?

 

or are we talking about- to produce or bring together roughly, crudly, or hurriedly or to piece together lazy like.

 

or to bring to an end ; to make right.

 

 

so we are in the state of patchiness :)

[SUBS17]

Second that. Im playing old games while I wait. LOMAC is resting for now. :)

 

 

I might be still playing old games(F4AF, Janes F/A-18) online, but theres no way my Lockon 1.02 or FC are resting.

[Alfa]

Thomas, I understand how you feel, but there is effort involved in the act of releasing a patch so I can understand ED's attitude in getting "One patch to rule them all" so they dont have to expend the effort several times.

And it isn't really the effort of creating them, it is the effort of testing them. I worked on Air Traffic Control radar software for over 20 years - 5% of my job was the actual writing of the code, 20% doing design and documentation, 75% was testing.

 

So releasing (eg three) smaller patches takes even longer as you have three times the amount of testing to do. Much of the testing is regression testing, ie. checking that your patch hasn't mistakenly messed up areas that (should) be unaffected.

Also when you patch over older patches, it makes things tougher still, I know - I have had to do it back in the day at work - it is a real pain in the ass.

As for Black Shark, anyone who really thinks this will be out before (at the earliest) late summer 2006 is an eternal optimist and has no experience of Software Development.

 

Thanks Brit_Radar_Dude. I was going to write a reply to this thread, but you just saved me the trouble - your reply is 100% spot on! :D

 

Especially this bit...

 

Much of the testing is regression testing, ie. checking that your patch hasn't mistakenly messed up areas that (should) be unaffected.

 

....which answers Thomas´s question in regards to smaller patches :)

 

Cheers,

- JJ.