Mavs and Markpoints

[Shootist]

I've got multi bomb releases and markpoints down fine but have been asking around about the proper method of doing the same with mavs. I am assuming this would only work for stationary targets as markpoints don't follow targets, right?

[xxJohnxx]

Yes, a mark point can't follow a vehicle, it is stationary. And else it is the same like bombs. Use your TGP (or any other sensor) to make mark points.

Set the waypoint dial on the CDU to MISSION.

Make your hud SOI and make your first mark point SPI. Make your mav SOI and then slew it to your SPI, when in range, lock and fire. Use the steer point rocker on the UFC to switch to the next mark, which will become SPI and slew your next mav to it. And so on.

This wasn't a full step by step tutorial, but gives you a little overview what to do. You may want to check Youtube for some good tutorials.

But, when done right, you can easily get 6 mavs in the air in just a few seconds.

But it gets even better, when force correlate mode is used, which allows you to lock sooner, because you don't have to wait until the seeker can lock onto the target. Very handy against Tunguskas and TORs ;).

 

Hope I was able to help you a little bit.

 

John

[Shootist]

Thanks, John But, I think it's 'set the waypiont dial on the AAP to MARK' Right?

:)

Edited May 16, 2012 by Shootist

[Tailgate]

I'm having an issue with the mavs jumping to the next markpoint, they want to stay on the initial SPI even though Mav is SOI and I've incremented MP by the UFC rocker. Does it make a difference if the initial SPI is in point or track mode? . Also to create subsequent markpoints with the TGP, do you have to designate the next point as a new SPI first, the create the markpoint, or is it just aim the TGP and hit markpoint? I've been creating new SPI's then hit Mark, but don't know if that is correct.

 

I've attached a trk, it's probably not that clear, but after I set the markpoints, the mav was slaved to the last SPI (mkpt B), even though I was set to mkpt A on the Hud). I know I'm doing something wrong.

markpt.trk

Edited June 10, 2012 by Tailgate

[shagrat]

1. when pressing China Hat fwd long = slew ALL sensors to SPI, incl. MAV.

You have to make the Markpoint SPI, first.

 

2. If you talk about the MK Button on the UFC then no! The MK button creates a MP at the position of your aircraft.

To create a sensor MP you need to place your SPI on the point you want to mark, TGP, TDC (HUD) or TAD cursor. Wherever your SPI is you can create a Markpoint with TMS right short.

[Tailgate]

I attached a trk to my initial post. Yeah, I'm using TMS Right (on my Ch stick) to create the markpoints. I increment markpoints by the rocker switch on the UFC while Mav is SOI. Mav seems to lock on to last SPI, rather than Mkpoint. The "Slave all" didn't seem to work.

Edited June 10, 2012 by Tailgate

[shagrat]

I attached a trk to my initial post. Yeah, I'm using TMS Right (on my Ch stick) to create the markpoints. I increment markpoints by the rocker switch on the UFC while Mav is SOI. Mav seems to lock on to last SPI, rather than Mkpoint.

Yes, that is what it does after it is slew'd to the SPI the MAV and TGP follow the SPI not the MP. You need to move the SPI to the Markpoints.

Markpoint tutorial by fish:

and the part 2 about handling targets and markpoints on the TAD:

 

Ah, forgot: you can slew SPI to steerpoint (markpoints) with TMS down long(!)

[shagrat]

Ok, just verified in the sim. So the whole sequence to change focus from one markpoint to another:

 

• create markpoints (A,B,C,...) slew TGP and TMS right short
  
• switch to MARK with UFC 'FUNC' and '8'
  
• use STEER rocker up/down to selct a markpoint (say A)
  
• set markpoint as SPI (assuming your SPI is not markpoint A, already) TMS down long - watch for the SPI line moving to the markpoint box
  
• switch to MAV as SOI, now slew all sensors to SPI (TGP and MAV!) with China Hat fwd long
  
• with MAV as SOI lock target at markpoint with TMS up short
  
• RIFLE!!!
  
• switch markpoint STEER rocker
  
• set markpoint as SPI TMS down long
  
• slew sensors to SPI China hat fwd long
  
• lock
  
• RIFLE
  
• rinse and repeat... :D
  

[Tailgate]

Thanks, I think I had it backwards, forgot to set Markpoint as SPI. I'll give it a try. Btw, the trk I created is for practicing force correlate against 2 Tunguskas. It's a short trk starting in the air.

[shagrat]

In broad daylight I prefer the 'optical' AGM-65H for the force correlate feature.

With the TGP and a precise target position you may launch as early as 9.6 mi out. Altitude is of the essence the higher the far out you may launch.

Found they are quite accurate.

Against 2S6 or OSA-8 you play deadly SEAD :music_whistling:

 

but SA-11, SA-6, or evenSA-3 is a "no"... SA-3 and SA-11 wait until you are far enough in their engagement zone. You may defeat the first, but No.2 is right at your a#*§ most of the time. :D

[degoe]

A short tutorial on getting 6 mavs in the air in a row. The trick is to bind the ufc steerpoint up and down to your keyboard (or stick)

 

Edited August 29, 2012 by degoe

[159th_Viper]

The trick is to bind the ufc steerpoint up and down to your keyboard (or stick)[/Quote]

 

DMS Fwd/Aft with HOTAS Warthog with HUD as SOI.

[degoe]

Yeah but switching soi to hud and back is another 2 actions you have to do, tried it a couple of times but most of the times I get lost between soi's and you can abort your attack.

[159th_Viper]

....tried it a couple of times but most of the times I get lost between soi's and you can abort your attack.

 

Very true! I remember starting to test the A-10 and was convinced that I just did not have enough fingers/hands to do the job properly :D

 

Good job on the tutorial - always works a treat. Here's another vid I did illustrating the effect downrange: Nowhere to run and nowhere to hide, especially when units attempt to evade once the first Mav strikes :gun_rifle:

 

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[degoe]

I love to watch the units run with no place to hide. I think it would be more realistic to only use 1 mav for the SA9 and kill the tanks using guns or cbu 105 though.

Edited August 29, 2012 by degoe

[marcos]

Given the time spent setting up the markpoints, is that any better than the TGP->TMS Fwd Long->Coolie Right->China Hat Fwd Long->TMS Fwd Short and repeat method. Marginally I guess but given there are only six missiles max. so there is plenty of time anyway.

 

Good tutorial on markpoints though.

Edited August 29, 2012 by marcos