Tunguskas shooting down Mavericks?

[SwingKid]

The US AD corps has already tested the C-RAM, which is essentially a vehicle-mounted naval CIWS system.

 

It gets it's initial data from something like a Sentinel radar (just like the Avengers do) and is meant to destroy artillery shells, mortars, and AGMs inbound on the position it's covering.

 

Sounds like copied Strela-1 technology

 

;)

-SK

[SUBS17]

Sounds like copied Strela-1 technology

 

;)

-SK

 

 

Sounds more like something from battletech:D

[GGTharos]

It's real, and it works. But it also looks ridiculous ;)

[SUBS17]

In Battletech the Mechs could carry an anti-missile system that shot down incoming missiles, incidentally to overcome this missiles were programmed to spiral to make getting hit harder to accomplish. It would be like firing 20 vihkrs at once.

[GGTharos]

Battletech never had it's technology straight. I could beat it up all day long regarding that, really ;) But let's stay on topic, at least more or less.

[Guest IguanaKing]

Oh great, this is turning into a "they are biased in favor of Russian equipment" thread again. :icon_roll

 

LOL. No...no...only in relation to the whole "Mavericks get shot down by Tunguskas but [whatever the Russian AGM is] don't" thing. I'm sure there are many biases in this sim, as there would be in ANY sim, in some cases, bias toward Russian stuff...in others, bias toward Western stuff. This started off as a question of physics and the capabilities of the Tunguska...and now we see that the same mythical capabilities don't apply to intercepting Russian AGMs. I'm sorry, but that looks like a case of bias to me. :D

 

Who knows...maybe the Tunguska has some top secret IFF which is also based on the "Manufactured in...." part of its data plate. It senses that an AGM is made in Russia, and doesn't shoot at it. ;)

[504 Wolverine]

Haven't flown the A-10 much but what I see is that the "almost" similar russian version of the Maverick, the Kh-29T and L are intercepted as much as the Maverick is. Can't see the bias there mate. But maybe I just not looking hard enough.

 

The Kh-25ML and MPU are able to get through sometime but they are still launched upon, IMHO speed of missile is a factor and the Kh-29 and Maverick are relitively slow. I think if there was any bias then all russian missile would get through all of the time.

[Ironhand]

LOL. No...no...only in relation to the whole "Mavericks get shot down by Tunguskas but [whatever the Russian AGM is] don't" thing. I'm sure there are many biases in this sim, as there would be in ANY sim, in some cases, bias toward Russian stuff...in others, bias toward Western stuff. This started off as a question of physics and the capabilities of the Tunguska...and now we see that the same mythical capabilities don't apply to intercepting Russian AGMs. I'm sorry, but that looks like a case of bias to me. :D

 

Who knows...maybe the Tunguska has some top secret IFF which is also based on the "Manufactured in...." part of its data plate. It senses that an AGM is made in Russia, and doesn't shoot at it. ;)

Don't see much of any bias from the testing I've done. Mostly it seems to be a question of terminal velocity. AGMs like the Kh-29T and Kh-25ML arrive at the target with roughly the same terminal speed as a Maverick. They get targetted just as frequently.

 

AGMs arriving with higher terminal velocities usually get through unchallenged. The one exception I've noted is the AGM-88. It arrives at the target with a speed of around 1400 km/hr and gets picked up in the last few seconds--much later than the slower moving AGMs. Also, it's the Tunguska's cannon fire that usually takes it out.

 

Rich

[Yellonet]

Can't see the bias there mate. But maybe I just not looking hard enough.

That must be it, it's quite obvious that there are some bias against the american stuff because it just isn't the best in all situations. If we all just look hard enough I'm sure we'll find it.

[192nd_Erdem]

I think Ironhand put the period.

 

Isn't it the time to lock this thread,or are we going to continue discussing the same thing until we reach the 10k post mark here?

 

Don't forget the endless discussions of the usual "I know everything,you dare to say me 'I know better than you!'?You *****=)(/%=)'^+=)." discussion we always have around :)

[SwingKid]

Isn't it the time to lock this thread,

 

End the party without ED arrived?

 

-SK

[S77th-GOYA]

Are you expecting them?

[SwingKid]

With bated breath :D

 

-SK

[S77th-GOYA]

What a lovely shade of blue. ;)

 

Damn your edit! :D

[EvilBivol-1]

I don't know in which thread exactly, but there was a reply from on of the Devs in which he said that the older generation SAM's ability to shoot down incoming missiles is a bug.

[Force_Feedback]

I don't know in which thread exactly, but there was a reply from on of the Devs in which he said that the older generation SAM's ability to shoot down incoming missiles is a bug.

 

Yup, the Strela-1 shouldn't shoot down a missile, as the Roland should not have shot down Birtish bombs in the Falklands/Malvinas war ;)

 

Maybe they moddeled operators that try to save their a** in a last ditch attempt to shoot down an incoming missile :p

[Manny]

I think Ironhand put the period.

 

Isn't it the time to lock this thread,or are we going to continue discussing the same thing until we reach the 10k post mark here?

 

Don't forget the endless discussions of the usual "I know everything,you dare to say me 'I know better than you!'?You *****=)(/%=)'^+=)." discussion we always have around :)

I agree with Erdem. The fact is that attempts will be made and Mavericks will be shot down. This is undeniable and remains true in the Lock-On simulation. Until ED indicates otherwise, consider this standard. Either adjust for this fact or do noy but discussing whether this is possible or not in the real world and if it should be changed is a rather mute topic of debate. It has already been stated by others the Russian A2G weapons are equally susceptible to the same treatment in the presence of Tunguskas.

[SwingKid]

I agree with Erdem. The fact is that attempts will be made and Mavericks will be shot down. This is undeniable

 

Post #216:

 

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?p=117972#post117972

 

What is "undeniable?" And, "fact"?

 

-SK

[Guest IguanaKing]

I agree with Erdem. The fact is that attempts will be made and Mavericks will be shot down. This is undeniable and remains true in the Lock-On simulation.

 

Yes, it CAN happen, but would it happen with any repeatability? No, it will not. As for the rest of your post, this IS a simulation, is it not? Shouldn't a "simulator" at least attempt to mimic the real world? ;)

 

192nd Erdem, you propose locking this topic? Why? Everybody here is being civil. If you don't like what's being discussed and how many pages it takes, ignore the thread. ;)

[Guest IguanaKing]

That must be it, it's quite obvious that there are some bias against the american stuff because it just isn't the best in all situations. If we all just look hard enough I'm sure we'll find it.

 

Hmmm...and if you noticed before on this same subject, I also said that American AD systems shouldn't have this magical capability either. Its a question of physics, human reaction times, and acceleration/stabilization times, not of "America is the best", or whatever other "nationalism" some on this board would like to imagine. :icon_roll

[Yellonet]

Hmmm...and if you noticed before on this same subject, I also said that American AD systems shouldn't have this magical capability either. Its a question of physics, human reaction times, and acceleration/stabilization times, not of "America is the best", or whatever other "nationalism" some on this board would like to imagine. :icon_roll

Well, I'm not seeing any bias at all. There may be a difference in realism levels of the various units and weapons in the game, but that is because it's hard to get hold of data about military hardware, not any bias towards anyone.

And to my knowledge the russian missiles that don't get shot down, get by the defence because they are fast enough, the slow ones gets picked off.

[192nd_Erdem]

192nd Erdem, you propose locking this topic? Why? Everybody here is being civil. If you don't like what's being discussed and how many pages it takes, ignore the thread.

 

:)

 

Of course it is civil,but pointless.What do think you can discuss after 35 pages and 345 posts?It's been explained many times in this thread why do they shoot down those missiles,but many of you still try to discuss it further because they don't work as they told you or you've seen from movies.

 

And if ED had anything to say about this matter,they would;right after the first post.

[Guest IguanaKing]

How does a thread continue? When people post their comments in it. Oops...looks like you just defeated your own goal. :D

 

If its pointless in your eyes (actually, its pointless to me also, but I still like discussing it even though nobody is going to change anyone else's mind) , just ignore it and it will eventually die. ;) One thing that can't be denied about the lockon.ru forums...most people here are very intelligent and articulate. When you're bored, at home, this place sure beats the hell out of most others for intelligent debate and conversation. Wouldn't you agree? :icon_supe

[Ironhand]

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...When you're bored, at home, this place sure beats the hell out of most others for intelligent debate and conversation. Wouldn't you agree? :icon_supe

Definitely. As a group, there's always been an impressive breadth and depth of knowledge displayed by folks playing Eagle Dynamics' sims. And there's always something to learn.

 

While the degree to which some SAM systems are now intercepting subsonic missiles is suspect, I have to say that I'm enjoying the increased gameplay (when I have a chance to play at all). Whether the modelling is right or wrong, it's a relief to no longer fly 1-shot 1-kill SEAD missions.

 

I've always enjoyed moving mud and SEAD has always been the mission type I most enjoy. Flanker 2 and LockOn had gotten a bit boring in that regard. So I'm glad for the change. Could it have been done differently, modelling SAMs shutting down when under attack, etc? Sure. Could it have been done in a timely manner? Perhaps. Only the devs know for sure. Might true-to-life SAM behavior--whatever that might actually be--be modelled in a future sim? I hope so. But until then I'm just going to enjoy flying SEAD again.

 

Rich

[Guest IguanaKing]

SEAD is your favorite type of mission? I would never have guessed, based on your screen name. :D