the bias towards russian aircraft seems to be growing..

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

At the risk of being labeled a total "fan-boy", which I am without a doubt, I'd like to state an *opinion*: ED DOES NOT HAVE AN AGENDA AGAINST WESTERN AIRCRAFT.

 

Having the opportunity to communicate with many of the key team members, as well as read the Russian forum on a regular basis, I can assure you that they are fond of Western aviation just as much as Eastern. In fact, they will often argue with your companions on the Russian forum, who allege that Russian a/c are "undermodelled".

 

Try to understand that for every gripe you have, there are 100 other forum members with their own gripes. Then there are the beta-testers, some of whom know this project inside out like you couldn't believe and give ED no break in listing all its faults (which is healthy, of course). Then, there's ED members themselves, who, believe it or not, actually want to make a better, more realistic simulation and have tenfold more gripes about the sim than any one of us. And all of those gripes are important and should, in a perfect world, be attended to. But, as you understant, we live in a world of limits. Limits on personel, limits on time, and limits on cash.

 

LOMAC is nearing its end. The current selection of flyables is more or less frozen as they are. Outside of minor changes, ED wants to be able to focus on their next projects, so they can be of highest quality and fidelity. At this point, nobody here really knows what those projects are (outside of the Ka-50 obviously, which, by the way, will still be flying within the confines of the Lock on universe and at least some of its problems). If we should be lucky enough to see any of the current flyables featured in future projects, you can expect a completely new simualation, one far more detailed and complex. But first we have to move on...

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for criticism. But it isn't worth getting frustrated over. Nobody is out to screw you.

 

I deeply apologize for the rant. I have nothing but respect for you guys. Just my collection of thoughts on the subject.

 

 

Well said ;)

[S77th-GOYA]

What are the loudest complaints from the Russian community regarding undermodeled planes?

[GGTharos]

The one I read the most was:

 

'Russian planes are modelled using manuals that ED found, while US planes are modelled with data from advertising material'

 

That was a while ago though and I don't keep a very close eye on it.

[Pilotasso]

The one I read the most was:

 

'Russian planes are modelled using manuals that ED found, while US planes are modelled with data from advertising material'

 

That was a while ago though and I don't keep a very close eye on it.

 

Maybe they would care to explain how LOMAC's representation of R-27's correlates with real world kill record, And Im not talking about VS US AF ;)

[EvilBivol-1]

Guys, lol, let's at least not argue about the other side's issues! We can hardly get past our own!

[GGTharos]

No, they don't ;)

[44th Eagle]

The only issue that I have is the aim-120 is to slow not long enough and at the end of its flight to target has no logic when its guidance system is beat.

 

I hope this missile gets its do corrections in 1.2. The Sparrow has sadly become the NATOS must dependable AAM.

[504MrWolf]

face it the RU planes are better............all USA fanbois suck on my IR Jammer !! ;)

 

Love MrWolf

[GGTharos]

Frogs suck.

 

Gunned down frogs rule.

 

;)

[Jason76]

Well another reason that I think ED favors Russian planes over US is the fact that the last addon was for the SU-25T (Russian) and the next addon is for the KA-50 (Russian). I guess we won't be seeing an F18 Hornet addon or an Apache Longbow any time soon.

 

Now having said that, let me make one thing clear; if the next addon was that of a flyable Mig-19 farmer, I'd still be rushing out to purchase it with the quickness. :o

[504 Wolverine]

ED have already said that any US Navy Tac manuals are classified so there will never be a flyable F/A-18 because of this or that the lock-on engine doesn't support any flyable 2 seaters so an Apache is out of the question.

 

But it's none of the above people. It's just one big comunarst plot. :p :D

[GGTharos]

ED favors what's 'hot' in Russia.

 

The Su-25T was -always- in the plans.

 

The Ka-50 happens to be starring in a very popular TV show in Russia, which is ED's MAIN MARKET.

 

I hope that clears things up ;)

[D-Scythe]

Well, it does seem that the AIM-120C is undermodelled...I'd expect a 1998 AAM to perform much better than mid-1980 missiles (e.g. R-27ER and AIM-7M), but currently, that is not the case.

[JaBoG32_Prinzartus]

Its good to have a russian Flight Sim, because we already had enough titles like F-15 and A-10. Go and ask US companies for a flight sim. They wont do it, because there is not enough money in selling simulations in on the sim market while have to pay western programmers...

 

If the F-15 is sooo weak, then just fly a russian plane, guys. If your kill/death ratio improves, then it is ok. You should not take a weak modelled F-15 not as a personal offence.

 

:rolleyes:

[Jason76]

"The Ka-50 happens to be starring in a very popular TV show in Russia, which is ED's MAIN MARKET."

 

Hmm that's cool. Anybody here watch 'Airwolf' from waay long ago? I used to love that show as a kid. That copter could do everything!

[EvilBivol-1]

D-Scythe, you've brought up many great discussions in the past, but often they are heavily reliant on educated guesses or logical extrapolations. This is fine (great) for a community based conversation about certain capabilities, but isn't a practical approach for the design team. They want to stick to reliable, imperical sources as much as possible. Naturally, a certain amount of guess work will always be inherent in this business, but it has to stop very quickly if the company is to meet any deadlines. As you know, there's enough problems in that department as is. This is why ED's future projects are so dependant on available documentation.

 

Anyway, the point is that, IMHO, and don't take this personally, but an argument like "I'd expect a 1998 AAM to perform much better than mid-1980 missiles..." while valid and certainly reasonable, is not productive.

 

Lastly, to respond to the snag about R-27 performance in game vs. in life, one of the Devs recently mentioned that discrepancy in one of the Russian threads. So, like I said earlier... ED is interested in bigger and better things no less than us, but, at the same time, must work under limitations which prevent them from achieving everything all at once. And besides, don't forget that they're human beings, no better than ourselves... :D

 

In the meanwhile, the best thing we can do is gather *data* for what we feel needs to be improved/implemented into the next release, whatever it may be.

 

Oh, and I'm not sure that there's a "TV-show" about the -50, but there was a rather popular movie released back in early-mid 90s. Most people, especially aviation enthusiasts, would laught at it now, but it did have an impact at the time.

[D-Scythe]

D-Scythe, you've brought up many great discussions in the past, but often they are heavily reliant on educated guesses or logical extrapolations. This is fine (great) for a community based conversation about certain capabilities, but isn't a practical approach for the design team. They want to stick to reliable, imperical sources as much as possible. Naturally, a certain amount of guess work will always be inherent in this business, but it has to stop very quickly if the company is to meet any deadlines. As you know, there's enough problems in that department as is. This is why ED's future projects are so dependant on available documentation.

 

Anyway, the point is that, IMHO, and don't take this personally, but an argument like "I'd expect a 1998 AAM to perform much better than mid-1980 missiles..." while valid and certainly reasonable, is not productive.

 

Lastly, to respond to the snag about R-27 performance in game vs. in life, one of the Devs recently mentioned that discrepancy in one of the Russian threads. So, like I said earlier... ED is interested in bigger and better things no less than us, but, at the same time, must work under limitations which prevent them from achieving everything all at once. And besides, don't forget that they're human beings, no better than ourselves... :D

 

In the meanwhile, the best thing we can do is gather *data* for what we feel needs to be improved/implemented into the next release, whatever it may be.

 

Oh, and I'm not sure that there's a "TV-show" about the -50, but there was a rather popular movie released back in early-mid 90s. Most people, especially aviation enthusiasts, would laught at it now, but it did have an impact at the time.

 

Don't worry, I agree completely. The AIM-120C statement ("I'd expect...") was simply my opinion - nothing else - and that is totally irrelevent. No matter how logical/reasonable an opinion may sound, it is useless, and I wouldn't ever think to go up to ED and say, "hey, the AIM-120 should be better because of my opinion." I'm sorry if it seemed like I was advertising for a more lethal AIM-120, but I was not. Believe me, I know, the American AIM-120C is probably the most heavily classified and closely guarded piece of equipment in the entire LOMAC arsenal.

 

That being said, this thread, as evidenced by its title, isn't exactly "productive" either, so I thought I'd just chip in my opinion ;)

[Pilotasso]

ED favors what's 'hot' in Russia.

 

The Su-25T was -always- in the plans.

 

The Ka-50 happens to be starring in a very popular TV show in Russia, which is ED's MAIN MARKET.

 

I hope that clears things up ;)

 

hmmm what kinda show is that?

Like "the nigh rider"? (sounds like porno but you know what Im talking about)

 

Boy I hope it doesnt sport a cylon like scanner at the front with lights and speaks!:biggrin:

[Iron Legionnaire]

Nightwolf... I think. I remember playing the video game way back in the day.

 

Edit: Airwolf! Well, I was pretty close.

 

Edit2: Probably should have read the previous page first. :-\

[Tranquil]

Its good to have a russian Flight Sim, because we already had enough titles like F-15 and A-10. Go and ask US companies for a flight sim. They wont do it, because there is not enough money in selling simulations in on the sim market while have to pay western programmers...

 

 

:rolleyes:

 

Someone buy this man a beer..

 

Ru company

Ru devs

primary market = Ru

 

1+1=2?

 

Surely those of sam can comprehend this?

[Pilotasso]

Nightwolf... I think. I remember playing the video game way back in the day.

 

Edit: Airwolf! Well, I was pretty close.

 

Edit2: Probably should have read the previous page first. :-\

 

I thought it was an actual russian show...well I tell you what, it reminds me of "blue thunder" as well. Old show. the star was a modifyed gazelle helicopter.

[EvilBivol-1]

Two different shows Pilotasso. Some people are talking about the American show called 'Airwolf', while others have mentioned the Russian show (actually a movie), called 'Black Shark'.

[192nd_Erdem]

Ah,the old "Undermodelled,Overmodelled!" matter...

 

Cry,cry...

 

[enigma6584]

At the risk of being labeled a total "fan-boy", which I am without a doubt, I'd like to state an *opinion*: ED DOES NOT HAVE AN AGENDA AGAINST WESTERN AIRCRAFT.

 

Having the opportunity to communicate with many of the key team members, as well as read the Russian forum on a regular basis, I can assure you that they are fond of Western aviation just as much as Eastern. In fact, they will often argue with your companions on the Russian forum, who allege that Russian a/c are "undermodelled".

 

Try to understand that for every gripe you have, there are 100 other forum members with their own gripes. Then there are the beta-testers, some of whom know this project inside out like you couldn't believe and give ED no break in listing all its faults (which is healthy, of course). Then, there's ED members themselves, who, believe it or not, actually want to make a better, more realistic simulation and have tenfold more gripes about the sim than any one of us. And all of those gripes are important and should, in a perfect world, be attended to. But, as you understant, we live in a world of limits. Limits on personel, limits on time, and limits on cash.

 

LOMAC is nearing its end. The current selection of flyables is more or less frozen as they are. Outside of minor changes, ED wants to be able to focus on their next projects, so they can be of highest quality and fidelity. At this point, nobody here really knows what those projects are (outside of the Ka-50 obviously, which, by the way, will still be flying within the confines of the Lock on universe and at least some of its problems). If we should be lucky enough to see any of the current flyables featured in future projects, you can expect a completely new simualation, one far more detailed and complex. But first we have to move on...

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for criticism. But it isn't worth getting frustrated over. Nobody is out to screw you.

 

I deeply apologize for the rant. I have nothing but respect for you guys. Just my collection of thoughts on the subject.

 

Damn well said.

[TucksonSonny]

Ryke, how many times have you flown the 15 since 1.11 came out? :P

 

Trust me, the radar doesn't work as well as it did before. It's practically like flying a stinky old MiG.:D

 

Ok, not really that bad. ;)

 

 

In TWS you can track up to 16 targets simultaneously. That’s the good news. The bad news is that you can’t search the same volume of airspace in TWS (It is about scanning in fewer bars). The other problem with TWS is that the tracking data on each target is not as good as in RWS. You can track a single target in RWS more dependably than you can multiple targets in TWS.

In other words TWS is not a miracle radar but it is just a compromise to focus on more targets.

Thus I propose in 1on1 use RWS…