ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 1, 2012 ED Team Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) Hi all I am looking into a replacement for my ATI HD6770 I am running 3 19" screens in portrait, and get 25 - 40 fps single player, but have noticed a reduced performance in multiplayer going as low as 14 fps on some bigger missions. I am on a very tight budget and would have to save for my next card ( Budget max £200 ) I would like a 2gb card but not essential as long as the card performs, does anyone have any suggestions considering ati hd7850 or even the hd6850 thoughts? Edited August 1, 2012 by BIGNEWY Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallan Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Just get a 570Gtx and run 2 monitors and eventually SLi it when they are even cheaper :P http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1280mb-msi-gtx-570-twin-frozr-iii-power-edition-oc-40nm-4000mhz-gddr5-gpu-770mhz-shader-1540mhz-plus I would honestly recommend the 7870 it is £230 though but you will regret not getting the one up from a 7850. When I bought my GPU I kept regretting not spending the extra £40 to get the 6950 anyways get this one I know it runs cool as a friend has it http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-sapphire-radeon-hd-7870-ghz-edition-4800mhz-gddr5-28nm-gpu-1000mhz-1280-cores-dl-dvi-hdmi-mdp If you want you can call scan and ask them for some discount and they will probably give it to as long as you ask nicely. Good luck "Too Tall" SQ 213 i7 870 / 8GB RAM 1333MHz / 2x500Gb Hard Drives @7200 RPM / Windows 7 64 bit / ATI Sapphire 6870 / Asus P7P55D-E / NZXT Phantom Case/ Corsair H80 liquid and fan cooler. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 1, 2012 Author ED Team Share Posted August 1, 2012 Thanks for the reply I have to be able to run minimum of 3 monitors 7870 on OverClockers is £229 at the moment http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-296-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=411 and £218 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-006-VX&campaign=pcm I will add it to my potentials list :) Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallan Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Go with the Sapphire as you can easily OC that without the card get "TO" hot and it will run very quite compared to the refrence card that you have in the post. Don't forget to phone them up and ask them for some discount (uses your haggling skills :P) and I'am certain that you will get something off :D "Too Tall" SQ 213 i7 870 / 8GB RAM 1333MHz / 2x500Gb Hard Drives @7200 RPM / Windows 7 64 bit / ATI Sapphire 6870 / Asus P7P55D-E / NZXT Phantom Case/ Corsair H80 liquid and fan cooler. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 5, 2012 Author ED Team Share Posted August 5, 2012 Still saving my cash up but was thinking my motherboard GA-H55M-UD2H http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3309#sp only supports PCI Express 2.0 standard so is there any point going for a card that uses PCI Express 3.0 ? or are they backward compatible, and if they are am I reducing the performance by doing so ? Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 stay away from ATi ™ (Artificial Trash institution) 1 AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 5, 2012 Author ED Team Share Posted August 5, 2012 stay away from ATi ™ (Artificial Trash institution) I wanted to go NVIDIA however they are more expensive in relation to performance, and I could still use my hd6770 as a second card for mfd's for my future pit update. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted August 5, 2012 Share Posted August 5, 2012 (edited) stay away from ATi ™ (Artificial Trash institution) I have used 4 different ATI/AMD graphics cards in the last 10 years and each of them performed flawlessly, so, either substantiate your opinion or quit the uninformed trash talk. Edited August 5, 2012 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 5, 2012 Author ED Team Share Posted August 5, 2012 I have always used ATI as well, I am now considering using a HD6950 as it is pciexpress 2.0 and can be flashed to a HD6970 The real problem is the budget I do want to keep it as low as possible and still get the performance, and ATI cards do that. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTFDarkEagle Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I have used 4 different ATI/AMD graphics cards in the last 10 years and each of them performed flawlessly, so, either substantiate your opinion or quit the uninformed trash talk. Or you can take his opinion for what it's worth because he may have a point. I have owned several ATI/AMD gfx cards and ALL had heavy problems. So it's NOT uninformed trash talk. For what you know it's very much based on experience. Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 My past 5-6 video cards were all ATI and I don't have problems with them... only the 7970 had issues with DCS because it didn't have propper drivers on its release, so please stop talking trash saying ATI is trash... if it was trash it would be out of business long time ago and I and many others wouldn't be buying them. 1 No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) What about the flashing that happened in DCS with nVidia cards then while there are none on ATI cards? Can't I then take same token and because of this flashing claim nVidia cards and/or driver is crap? And for years untill recently you could not run more than 2 monitors of nVidia card... don't know about what's trash here... Bottom line is they are both good otherwise they would not survive the consumer market... so enough with opinionated trash talk.. you wanna be helpful? then give specific reason why you think this or that is better... just saying stay from this and this is trash is getting old and doesn't help anyone Edited August 6, 2012 by Kuky No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillKelsoe Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I got flashing in my HD5650. And the majority of people that I know, simmer, gamers, etc.. all agree that ATi is cheap alternative to the more expensive but reliable and powerful nVidia. I've tried DCS A-10C with only changing my GPU to a GTX 660 1Gb and I had a boost of framerates under nominal conditions. That's why, I advised OP to go for nVidia. Sorry, but I stick to my e-pinion. No harm done, fellas. In the end, the OP is free to spend as he pleases and sees fit. Just giving my opinion. And FYI, I'll be upgrading my i5 system with an i7 2600k and 16 gigs, with additional purchase of the nVidia GTX 670 from a friend who's selling it for buying a macbook pro. Cheers. :thumbup: AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celticcoho Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I say, to each their own, I have had both, but sig tells you what I use for my PC's:music_whistling: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Celticcoho (OriginFreedom) WIN 7 64 bit, I7975 at 3.6ghz,X58 Classified 3 Mobo, 6gb Corsair 2000 ram, 2 ea ATI 5870 Eyefinity 6 2gb's , 27" Ultra Sharp,(main view), 3 23"touch screens , Tm Warthog, Saitek Combat Pedals Track IR 5,:D JIM.:book: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 6, 2012 Author ED Team Share Posted August 6, 2012 Thanks guys all valid points, I am going to stick to ATI more bang for your bucks and so on, plus I can still use my other ATI card for my mfd's. Am I right in thinking that as my motherboard only supports pci Express 2.0 there is no point going for a card that has 3.0 ? Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 there is really no performance difference using PCI-E 2.0 or 3.0 they have done tests about this already so you're fine with 2.0 slot. to get 3.0 working you need CPU, MB and VGA supporting PCI-E 3.0 PS: I believe you can actually run both ATI and nVidia cards in same PC at the same time so you could check on this, it might influence your purchase decision more No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G00dnight Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 you can get a pci3 but it will only run to the pci 2 speeds till u get a new mobo.. AMD A8-5600K @ 4GHz, Radeon 7970 6Gig, 16 Gig Ram, Win 10 , 250 gig SSD, 40" Screen + 22 inch below, Track Ir, TMWH, Saitek combat pedals & a loose nut behind the stick :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 6, 2012 Author ED Team Share Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) Thanks again for the replys I think it will be budget that makes the decision in the end, a new motherboard is out of the question at the moment. HD 6950 Graphics card - 2 GB around £160 is in my short list at the moment or even the hd 7850 Edited August 6, 2012 by BIGNEWY Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) For what you know it's very much based on experience. For what i know, he is talking trash because he didn't support his claim with anything substantial like an explanation of what the nature of problems were that made him form his opinion. Edit: Since remedied by a more detailed explanation, all is well... Edited August 6, 2012 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkspade Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 I have always used ATI as well, I am now considering using a HD6950 as it is pciexpress 2.0 and can be flashed to a HD6970 The real problem is the budget I do want to keep it as low as possible and still get the performance, and ATI cards do that. Don't get a 6950 expecting to be able to flash it. This was only the case with the original reference boards. It would be a miracle to find some place that still has ref boards in stock at this point. http://104thphoenix.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celticcoho Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 Now, If DCS would support Crossfire, all would be so well!!!:thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Celticcoho (OriginFreedom) WIN 7 64 bit, I7975 at 3.6ghz,X58 Classified 3 Mobo, 6gb Corsair 2000 ram, 2 ea ATI 5870 Eyefinity 6 2gb's , 27" Ultra Sharp,(main view), 3 23"touch screens , Tm Warthog, Saitek Combat Pedals Track IR 5,:D JIM.:book: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 That ball is not in EDs court. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celticcoho Posted August 6, 2012 Share Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) That ball is not in EDs court. Well Said, I was misspoken!!!:thumbup: But hope they push for it as well! Edited August 6, 2012 by celticcoho [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Celticcoho (OriginFreedom) WIN 7 64 bit, I7975 at 3.6ghz,X58 Classified 3 Mobo, 6gb Corsair 2000 ram, 2 ea ATI 5870 Eyefinity 6 2gb's , 27" Ultra Sharp,(main view), 3 23"touch screens , Tm Warthog, Saitek Combat Pedals Track IR 5,:D JIM.:book: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 9, 2012 Author ED Team Share Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) Yes I gave up with crossfire a long time a go, I spent a lot of my time contacting ATI via forums, support groups, twitter, and facebook it got me no where. So I sold my second card. And thanks for the advice about the 6950, yes from what I understand it is only the rev. 1 version that can be flashed. edit: ( I did return to crossfire as I got it to perform well, while using softTH ) Edited November 14, 2012 by BIGNEWY Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I would be concerned regarding only 2 gigs of video mem. I've seen my Vram usage go over 1600+ MB with 3 screens. Granted I use Nvidia but similar resolutions will yeild similar vram usage. I would venture a guess that when we finally get Nevada and an upgraded graphics engine you could easily break 2GB. My next upgrade I'm going for a 4 gig card... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] System Specs Intel I7-3930K, Asrock EXTREME9, EVGA TITAN, Mushkin Chronos SSD, 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Z series 2133, TM Warthog and MFD's, Saitek Proflight Combat pedals, TrackIR 5 + TrackClip PRO, Windows 7 x64, 3-Asus VS2248H-P monitors, Thermaltake Level 10 GT, Obutto cockpit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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