Darkwolf187 Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 So, I currently own Ka-50 BS2, A-10C, and I've got LOMAC sitting on the shelf waiting for FC3 to come out. I'm interested in learning to fly a multirole fighter of some type, and have a preference for the western models. Anyway, I'm wondering. I know that LOMAC and friends is the "instant action" survey sim where there's lots of planes to fly, but not the enormous depth in any one airframe that's to be found in the study sim modules like Ka-50 and A-10C. I prefer the study sims though, which is why LOMAC has stayed on the shelf. The F-15 in FC3 is supposed to be coming with a 6DOF pit and clickable cockpit. Does this mean that the F-15 is going to be the 'study' fighter of FC3? Will the F-15's cockpit be fully useable? Will the depth of simulation approach that of A-10C? IE, if I want to learn a multirole fighter, should I just grab FC3 and fly the F-15, wait for DCS: Fighter (whenever that will be coming out), or pull Falcon BMS off the shelf and learn that? I'm afraid I have no interest in the Mustang.
Drona Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 F-15 just has the 6 DOF pit. There is no clickable pit I believe and its not on the same "study" level as A-10C and KA-50. Basically, same as in FC2 except the 6 DOF pit.
xWARGOx Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 F-15 just has the 6 DOF pit. There is no clickable pit I believe and its not on the same "study" level as A-10C and KA-50. Basically, same as in FC2 except the 6 DOF pit.so what exactly is the point in paying to fly the same?
Pyroflash Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) If you are holding your breath for a true multirole aircraft, then you should probably dust BMS off as DCS won't have one for a while now. At least into next year, unless you consider the MiG-21 Bis I-75 to be "multirole". so what exactly is the point in paying to fly the same? The aircraft will be much improved, especially in terms of missiles, in FC3. Plus DCS World integration is, at least for me, a reason in and of itself to purchase FC3. Edited September 13, 2012 by Pyroflash If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground.
Wichid Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 so what exactly is the point in paying to fly the same? These features: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=93634 Lyndiman AMD Ryzen 3600 / RTX 2070 Super / 32G Ram / Win10 / TrackIR 5 Pro / Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS & MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals
xWARGOx Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) These features: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=93634so basically it would be like a fat girl being on the catwalk at the victoria secret show? Not up to par to the rest of the show. Or maybe just a random average girl thrown in there to half ass it. I say this because whats the point in just putting make up on the model and not fully making it up the the quality of the rest. Sure I appreciate everyone's work but I just don't understand how this fits. Just my irrelevant opinion. Go big or go home Edited September 13, 2012 by xWARGOx
Darkwolf187 Posted September 13, 2012 Author Posted September 13, 2012 so basically it would be like a fat girl being on the catwalk at the victoria secret show? Not up to par to the rest of the show. Or maybe just a random average girl thrown in there to half ass it. Come now, no need for vitriol. I'll likely be buying FC3 anyway, to show support for the expanded Georgia map & the new missile dynamics, even if the F-15 isn't fully modelled. What I was more interested in knowing is whether I should invest the learning time on something like BMS, or if FC3 with the F-15 will fulfill my multirole desires. Course, now I've got a tough choice to make...
G-Lock91 Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 God not this ALL OVER AGAIN!!! There are pages of this crap here: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=93634 Have a good read then make a thread on FC3! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If they can make penicillin out of moldy bread, they can certainly make something out of you" -Muhammad Ali WIN 7 64-bit SP1 | AMD Phenom II X4 955 | 8.0 GB RAM | NVidia GeForce GTX 550Ti | CH Pro Throttle | CH Fighterstick | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR5
Pyroflash Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 Come now, no need for vitriol. I'll likely be buying FC3 anyway, to show support for the expanded Georgia map & the new missile dynamics, even if the F-15 isn't fully modelled. What I was more interested in knowing is whether I should invest the learning time on something like BMS, or if FC3 with the F-15 will fulfill my multirole desires. Course, now I've got a tough choice to make... FC3 will not be fulfilling anyone's multirole desires. It has no multirole aircraft in its lineup. But if your idea is how to do proper air combat, FC3 is a perfect choice. If you are dead set on flying something that is both effective at air to air and air to ground, then I'd suggest waiting for DCS: F-15E or the Tiffy to come out. If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground.
Grimes Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 Think of it this way, FC3 fills a void in the playable aircraft roster until more DCS level aircraft are added while also providing new features to the franchise and community that have been around a lot longer than DCS has. The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
sorcer3r Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) Easy decision. Multirole rules. :D (but CAS is also nice ;)) Edited September 13, 2012 by sorcer3r [sIGPIC]http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/sorcerer17/sorcf16-b_zpsycmnwuay.gif[/sIGPIC]
Pyroflash Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 Easy decision. Multirole rules. :D Go back to your "I've only been in one mission in my entire life where I've ever had to use both air to air missiles and bombs in the same sortie" F-16C :D If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground.
Darkwolf187 Posted September 13, 2012 Author Posted September 13, 2012 Hrm. Yeah, guess you're right. I like the idea of a multirole, but thinking about it objectively, if a pilot needs to attack both ground and air targets in the one mission, someone messed up their recon :D Guess I can keep my air-to-air wants busy with FC3 and my air-to-ground with A-10C, and wait for a DCS-level multirole to come out. Thanks for the replies.
sorcer3r Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 Hrm. Yeah, guess you're right. I like the idea of a multirole, but thinking about it objectively, if a pilot needs to attack both ground and air targets in the one mission, someone messed up their recon :D Not necessarily. No escort is perfect. ;) [sIGPIC]http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/sorcerer17/sorcf16-b_zpsycmnwuay.gif[/sIGPIC]
Pyroflash Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) Not necessarily. No escort is perfect. ;) Exactly, that's the reason why it is two multirole air to air kills (one sortie) instead of zero. It is also the reason why the A-10C commonly carries two AIM-9M's with it. No plan is perfect and you might need to defend yourself in case some op in Washington gets some bad intel. Or in case you want to run down some enemy Su-25's in DCS: W. At any rate, I suspect the multirole aircraft to be extremely popular when they finally make it over here. For some reason people like fast jets that can do everything really poorly (I kid, the F-16C is a fantastic fighter, but its low fuel and payload does make it a rather poor CAS jet) over slow jets that can do one thing really well. Me, I am waiting for an F-15C and the SH (And by waiting I mean that I am busy playing FC2/3 and A-10C, with a touch of P-51D and Ka-50 just to make sure my skills don't rot away). I've always loved Navy jets, but the performance of the 15C is absolutely staggering, and man will the Russians be complaining when all of that jet's systems get to play. Edited September 13, 2012 by Pyroflash If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground.
sorcer3r Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 For some reason people like fast jets that can do everything really poorly (I kid, the F-16C is a fantastic fighter, but its low fuel and payload does make it a rather poor CAS jet) over slow jets that can do one thing really well. The F-15C guy: What can I do tonight? A2A. A-10C guy: A2G. F-16/18 guy: Hm. Yesterday I did A2A but today I would like to do some A2G. Multirole means less boredom. Thats why a DCS F-18 will be very nice. Just imagine a F-18 package (escort+strike/sead) on carrier ops. Feels very different than a F-15C and A-10C coop. believe me. ;) ps: the fuel factor is a pro IMO. Less fuel means more air refueling. :thumbup: [sIGPIC]http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/sorcerer17/sorcf16-b_zpsycmnwuay.gif[/sIGPIC]
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159th_Viper Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 IE, if I want to learn a multirole fighter, should I just grab FC3 and fly the F-15...... No, you grab FC3 and fly the Mig or the SU's.....that way you have access to multirole fighters, assuming of course you are referring to Air to Air and Air to Ground roles in the same mission. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Milene Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 No, you grab FC3 and fly the Mig or the SU's.....that way you have access to multirole fighters, assuming of course you are referring to Air to Air and Air to Ground roles in the same mission. O you ! Flanker, Flanker 2.0, Flanker 2.5, Lockon, FC1, FC2,FC3, BS1, BS2, A10C, CA and World [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
almonds Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 ps: the fuel factor is a pro IMO. Less fuel means more air refueling. :thumbup: and tears :cry: "The art of simulation design is about understanding limited fidelity... ...compromises must be made. Designers have to consider cost vs. fidelity and processor time vs. fidelity. Additional trade-offs must be made between graphics, AI, flight models, number of units and more... ...never ask the pilot what he wants to learn because he too will end up building an airplane. Instead, ask the pilot what he needs to learn." -Gilman "Chopstick" Louie
Agg Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 No, you grab FC3 and fly the Mig or the SU's.....that way you have access to multirole fighters, assuming of course you are referring to Air to Air and Air to Ground roles in the same mission.The early MiG-29s and Flankers modelled in Flaming Cliffs are not multirole fighters... They are air-superiority fighters (like the F-15C) with a limited air-to-ground capability. Meaning they can deliver unguided bombs and rockets, but their main role is air-to-air. For a true multirole aircraft I guess we'll just have to keep our fingers crossed that ED's working on an F/A-18 or an F-16.
159th_Viper Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 The early MiG-29s and Flankers modelled in Flaming Cliffs are not multirole fighters... They are air-superiority fighters (like the F-15C) with a limited air-to-ground capability. Meaning they can deliver unguided bombs and rockets, but their main role is air-to-air..... Yeah I know what you're saying but we got to make the best with what we've got and if it is your intention to want to punish both ground units and aerial fighters in FC3 in a fast-jet then your best bet are the Mig's and SU's. After all, whether I use a Mav or a rocket/bomb on the M1 you're driving, you're still going to the Map view :) Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
VAOZoky Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) Who dare to say that my beloved Su33 isnt multirole? http://www.51st.org/stats/eventlog.php?pilot=VAO*Zoky&starttime=2012-06-17 10:54:20&endtime=2012-06-17 12:07:36 http://www.51st.org/stats/eventlog.php?pilot=VAO*Zoky&starttime=2012-04-22 13:50:19&endtime=2012-04-22 14:27:20 Edited September 13, 2012 by VAO*Zoky 1 Intel Core i5 2500k @ 4.2Ghz, 8GB Kingston HyperX @1.6GHz, Ati Radeon HD7870 2GB GDDR5, 19' 1440x900 screen
Cali Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 . After all, whether I use a Mav or a rocket/bomb on the M1 you're driving, you're still going to the Map view :) Lmao :lol: true. i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
FanBoy2006.01 Posted September 13, 2012 Posted September 13, 2012 so basically it would be like a fat girl being on the catwalk at the victoria secret show? Not up to par to the rest of the show. Or maybe just a random average girl thrown in there to half ass it. I say this because whats the point in just putting make up on the model and not fully making it up the the quality of the rest. Sure I appreciate everyone's work but I just don't understand how this fits. Just my irrelevant opinion. Go big or go home No it will be like a 8/10 girl amongst 10/10 girls. To me, what Eagle dynamics is doing is making perfect sense. If you think that they are doing a "half ass" job, why don't you create a DCS quality F15C for us? We all would buy it.
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