Druid_ Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) These new advanced actions have been introduced in DCSW 1.2.1. Escort (AI planes or player or client Host only) Follow (planes OR Helicopters only on AI, player or client host) Land (helicopters only) Follow allows you to set any aircraft type to 'follow' another aircraft type at a relative position based on x (fore & -aft), z (-port & starboard), y (above & -below). Any plane (regardless of TASK set) can be set to follow any plane & any heli can be set to follow any heli. Note: only helicopters will engage any enemy when set to follow. Escort Planes will only engage other enemy aircraft when set to 'Escort'. Else if set to 'follow' only the lead aircraft will engage if so equiped. The only aircraft at the moment that can use Escort are those set to ESCORT or SEAD in their Airplane Group TASK. The relative position of the Escort aircraft is same as for the 'follow' action with 2 added parameters; Engage distance, which is the distance from the escort aircraft at which it will leave the formation and engage the enemy aircraft category as set in the checkbox parameters directly below (double click to select). This is provided that the enemy are detected by the escorting aircrafts onboard eqpt or awacs. Diag below Both follow and escort can be set at any waypoint as a waypoint action or used in a triggered action. The LAST WPT when ticked allows you to set at which WP of the GROUP aircraft ('New Airplance Group' in the example) you want to stop following or escorting. The aircraft will then proceed directly to the next WPT it is yet to sequence on its route. Setting a heli to follow another heli that has yet to take-off will force the following heli to orbit nearby until lead heli gets airborne. Edited January 7, 2013 by Druid_ i7-7700K : 16Gb DDR4 2800 Mhz : Asus Mobo : 2TB HDD : Intel 520 SSD 240gb : RTX 2080ti: Win10 64pro : Dx10 : TrackiR4 : TM Warthog : ASUS ROG SWIFT PG348Q
Druid_ Posted October 3, 2012 Author Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) Land Allows the mission builder to land any helicopter on flat ground anywhere on the map. There is no longer a need to place a FARP or land at a base. Selecting Perform Task -> Land will display another line from the waypoint with a triangle depicting the land point. Hold the triangle and move it to the point you wish the Heli to land at. Apart from the Conditions there is only 1 parameter LAND DURATION. When ticked it allows you to set the time from wheels ON to wheels OFF. The example belows shows 1 minute. . You can place multiple Land actions along your route. Note however, currently there is no way of getting the helicopter to shutdown at the 'Land' position. It will sit there with rotors running indefinately (or until fuel runs out!). Beware setting a helo to land on sloping ground make cause it to slide fall over and explode. Edited December 12, 2012 by Druid_ i7-7700K : 16Gb DDR4 2800 Mhz : Asus Mobo : 2TB HDD : Intel 520 SSD 240gb : RTX 2080ti: Win10 64pro : Dx10 : TrackiR4 : TM Warthog : ASUS ROG SWIFT PG348Q
Druid_ Posted October 3, 2012 Author Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) Examples & Issues Attached is a couple of simple examples of missions using these new actions. No known issues at this time, however .. With any new feature in a complex mission editor, it is almost impossible to test every conceivable sequence/use. If you do find a bug or something not working as expected then please post it up so that we can check it out and get it fixed.Landing_out.trkHeli_Land_Out.mizfollow_example.mizEscort_example.miz Edited January 7, 2013 by Druid_ removes issues that have been fixed i7-7700K : 16Gb DDR4 2800 Mhz : Asus Mobo : 2TB HDD : Intel 520 SSD 240gb : RTX 2080ti: Win10 64pro : Dx10 : TrackiR4 : TM Warthog : ASUS ROG SWIFT PG348Q
Leto Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) @Druid: these new commands work AI on AI only? Tried to set one F18 to "follow" and one F18 to "escort" my self piloted A10. On mission start the two F18 just fly circles. When I shift "my" A10 to KI it works. Edited October 3, 2012 by Leto [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Ariescon.com Intel i7-6700K | 32GB RAM | NVIDIA GTX 1080 | 1TB m.2 SSD | TM Warthog | Logitech G-35 | TrackIR 5 | Windows 10 Ultimate 64bit | 3 monitor setup @5760x1080 | Occulus Rift
Druid_ Posted October 3, 2012 Author Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) Currently its AI on AI only but testers version has been enhanced to include AI on player. I have asked for it to be included in an autoupdate soon. AI on MP client does not work and may be done some time in the future (its in the feature request box). EDIT: escort on player & follow on player now included in version 1.2.2 (note on player, it will not work on a MP Client). Edited November 16, 2012 by Druid_ i7-7700K : 16Gb DDR4 2800 Mhz : Asus Mobo : 2TB HDD : Intel 520 SSD 240gb : RTX 2080ti: Win10 64pro : Dx10 : TrackiR4 : TM Warthog : ASUS ROG SWIFT PG348Q
Leto Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 thx for the quick answer. AI on MP would be a blast :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Ariescon.com Intel i7-6700K | 32GB RAM | NVIDIA GTX 1080 | 1TB m.2 SSD | TM Warthog | Logitech G-35 | TrackIR 5 | Windows 10 Ultimate 64bit | 3 monitor setup @5760x1080 | Occulus Rift
MagicBra Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Thanks for those infos ;) Considering the "land" option, Do we still need a "FARP" placed in order to refuel and ream or the proximity of the vehicles is sufficient. Or is it just to put the IA helos in stand-by somewhere ? VEAF - Virtual European Air Force- www.veaf.org Association européenne de simulation évoluant sur DCS, BMS et ArmA3. Nous rejoindre : http://www.veaf.org/fr/association/formulaire-de-contact
Blacknemisis Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Nice Thanks! One question tho how can you tell how far is position x, y, and z?
Leto Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Nice Thanks! One question tho how can you tell how far is position x, y, and z? It's in feet from the centre of the lead object. Example: you want a F-16 fly near KC-135 you set the F-16 to follow/escort KC-135 with x = -300 y = 200 z = -400 F-16 will be 300 feet behind 200 feet higher 400 feet on the left add a F-18 x = 500 y = -150 z = 600 F-18 will be 500 feet in front 150 feet lower 600 feet to the right of KC-135 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Ariescon.com Intel i7-6700K | 32GB RAM | NVIDIA GTX 1080 | 1TB m.2 SSD | TM Warthog | Logitech G-35 | TrackIR 5 | Windows 10 Ultimate 64bit | 3 monitor setup @5760x1080 | Occulus Rift
Druid_ Posted October 3, 2012 Author Posted October 3, 2012 Thanks for those infos ;) Considering the "land" option, Do we still need a "FARP" placed in order to refuel and ream or the proximity of the vehicles is sufficient. Or is it just to put the IA helos in stand-by somewhere ? You still need a FARP or base to re-arm & refuel at the moment. This function is more of a land somewhere, wait x time, then launch again. Nice Thanks! One question tho how can you tell how far is position x, y, and z? As Leto said but it's either feet or meters depending on wether you have your options->gameplay->units set to imperial or metric. i7-7700K : 16Gb DDR4 2800 Mhz : Asus Mobo : 2TB HDD : Intel 520 SSD 240gb : RTX 2080ti: Win10 64pro : Dx10 : TrackiR4 : TM Warthog : ASUS ROG SWIFT PG348Q
chromium Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Do we still need a "FARP" placed in order to refuel and ream or the proximity of the vehicles is sufficient. Or is it just to put the IA helos in stand-by somewhere ? +1 (I really hope that we don't need them.. but... I believe that we still need) EDIT: sniped. Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously.
Speed Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 It's in feet from the centre of the lead object. Example: you want a F-16 fly near KC-135 you set the F-16 to follow/escort KC-135 with x = -300 y = 200 z = -400 F-16 will be 300 feet behind 200 feet higher 400 feet on the left add a F-18 x = 500 y = -150 z = 600 F-18 will be 500 feet in front 150 feet lower 600 feet to the right of KC-135 It is only feet if you have selected the s*** measurement system instead of the metric system :thumbup: Intelligent discourse can only begin with the honest admission of your own fallibility. Member of the Virtual Tactical Air Group: http://vtacticalairgroup.com/ Lua scripts and mods: MIssion Scripting Tools (Mist): http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=98616 Slmod version 7.0 for DCS: World: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=80979 Now includes remote server administration tools for kicking, banning, loading missions, etc.
Ranger79 Posted October 3, 2012 Posted October 3, 2012 Nice new features! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Ranger79 OEF/OIF Veteran YouTube Channel Twitch Channel Mods, Missions, & Tutorials: Operation Piercing Fury Campaign Ranger79's Object Pack ISIS CrisIS Campaign Mission Editing Video Series
JEFX Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Thanks Druid I always like so much your explanations of ME features (with examples!). Is there a chance we get this feature to work with AI on HUMAN (player?) because now it only works with AI on AI right? And, even though it is fun to set a package of AI to do things, the best would be to be part of the party... thanks JEFX [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] In DCS I fly jets with thousands of pounds of thrust... In real life I fly a humble Cessna Hawx XP II with 210 HP :D
chromium Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 The follow is working right now with the last update of this night. :) Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously.
MadTommy Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Thanks druid.. SEAD - ESCORT i5-3570K @ 4.5 Ghz, Asus P8Z77-V, 8 GB DDR3, 1.5GB GTX 480 (EVGA, superclocked), SSD, 2 x 1680x1050, x-fi extreme music. TM Warthog, Saitek combat pro pedals, TrackIR 4
wolle Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 The follow is working right now with the last update of this night. :) Does that mean it can now follow also the player aircraft, instead of only AI on AI? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel Core I7 4820K @4.3 GHz, Asus P9X79 motherboard, 16 GB RAM @ 933 MHz, NVidia GTX 1070 with 8 GB VRAM, Windows 10 Pro
Aries Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 thx for the quick answer. AI on MP would be a blast :D R-Type riding Gungham Style Man!!! Wuhuuuu!!! :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ...the few, the proud, the remaining...
JEFX Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 I dont think so, it doesnt work for me... Any hint on that Grimes? If the follow and escort commands work with the human player, that would be one of the best additions for a while! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] In DCS I fly jets with thousands of pounds of thrust... In real life I fly a humble Cessna Hawx XP II with 210 HP :D
Blacknemisis Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 There must be bugs in it because half the time when I run test the plane that escort most of the time just goes back to base or just circles the base. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt. I think it needs tweaking.
Druid_ Posted October 7, 2012 Author Posted October 7, 2012 You will have to be a little more specific with your problem. Attach your .miz file maybe. Are you assigning an AI aircraft to follow an AI from ramp or runway take-off by any chance? i7-7700K : 16Gb DDR4 2800 Mhz : Asus Mobo : 2TB HDD : Intel 520 SSD 240gb : RTX 2080ti: Win10 64pro : Dx10 : TrackiR4 : TM Warthog : ASUS ROG SWIFT PG348Q
Blacknemisis Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 Yes in this instanced yes. I have the escort AI escorting me and the AI is a SEAD. I have it starting at the runway delayed 1min after I take off the AI will come online. Once I take off I hit F2 to see what the AI will do and it takes off and just circles the Airport. The AI only comes to Escort me only after Im being engaged by a SAM.
Chops Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 The Follow command is buggy too for helicopters. I have been trying to get a UH-1 to follow a CH47 with both set to ramp start, which does not work. I also tried giving the UH-1 one waypoint with an orbit command and the follow command which does not work either. The CH47 takes longer to start up than the UH-1, hence the waypoint and orbit command. My mission file is attached:GC Training Mission.miz
chromium Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 yesterday evening the "follow" command works for an UH-1 on me, working as expected. It was activated after about 4 mins of mission, by and advanced waypoint action :) Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously.
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