Military and Aviation News Thread (NO DISCUSSION)

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lol what? Did the typhoon suddenly get upgraded to 6th gen or something?

Well it's the mirror.:smilewink: The climb rate performance stated is wrong too. It's more like 60s. 30s to supersonic + 30s to climb to 7 miles.

[Ich666]

Well it's the mirror.:smilewink:

This pretty much. Only some UK news site trying to feed their website with Syria news all day :)

[Pilotasso]

Theres a rumour going on about a Turkish F-16 shooting down a Syrian helicopter. Need to confirm...

 

EDIT:

 

a video has already been posted on youtube Allegedly from the shootdown:

 

O_1yddNQPK0

 

Dang the Turks mean business :(

Edited September 16, 2013 by Pilotasso

[GGTharos]

It's 90 seconds if you are hanging things on the wings and you want to have some speed when you get up there - and that is to 30000', not 42000'. Very F-15C-like performance.

 

Well it's the mirror.:smilewink: The climb rate performance stated is wrong too. It's more like 60s. 30s to supersonic + 30s to climb to 7 miles.

Edited September 16, 2013 by GGTharos

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Aviation Week: Textron Unveils Scorpion Light Attack, Recce Jet

The Scorpion demonstrator is intended to whet the U.S. Air Force's appetite with the promise of a low procurement and operating cost. The pitch is for this aircraft, which is optimized for 5-hr. endurance with onboard intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) collectors and weapons, to handle the Air Force's low-end missions such as U.S.-based interdiction, quick-reaction natural disaster support and air sovereignty patrols.

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_09_16_2013_p22-615375.xml

 

 

2 seat, twin engine light attack jet

Max speed: 450 knots

Endurance: 5 hours @ 150nm

Payload: 9,000 lb (6,000lb internal fuel, 3,000lb internal payload bay, 6 hardpoints)

All-composite, 20,000-hour life airframe

Two 4,000lb thrust TFE731 turbofans

Weight, empty & MTOW: 11,800 - 21,250 lb (5,350 - 9,650 kg)

 

 

 

 

 

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It's 90 seconds if you are hanging things on the wings and you want to have some speed when you get up there - and that is to 30000', not 42000'. Very F-15C-like performance.

No it's 60 seconds.

 

http://www.baesystems.com/enhancedarticle/BAES_156125/typhoon

 

30s to supersonic, climb rate over 62,000ft per minute with 6 MRAAMs and 2 SRAAMs (interceptor configuration). It takes <60s to reach Mach 1.6 once at that altitude. These were very much the design parameters.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon

 

I believe the Streak Eagle was even faster although that wasn't exactly a standard production model F-15.

Edited September 18, 2013 by countto10

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Aviation Week: Textron Unveils Scorpion Light Attack, Recce Jet

The Scorpion demonstrator is intended to whet the U.S. Air Force's appetite with the promise of a low procurement and operating cost. The pitch is for this aircraft, which is optimized for 5-hr. endurance with onboard intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) collectors and weapons, to handle the Air Force's low-end missions such as U.S.-based interdiction, quick-reaction natural disaster support and air sovereignty patrols.

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_09_16_2013_p22-615375.xml

 

 

2 seat, twin engine light attack jet

Max speed: 450 knots

Endurance: 5 hours @ 150nm

Payload: 9,000 lb (6,000lb internal fuel, 3,000lb internal payload bay, 6 hardpoints)

All-composite, 20,000-hour life airframe

Two 4,000lb thrust TFE731 turbofans

Weight, empty & MTOW: 11,800 - 21,250 lb (5,350 - 9,650 kg)

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.scorpionjet.com/aircraft-features/

Edited September 16, 2013 by countto10

[GGTharos]

No it's 60 seconds.

 

http://www.baesystems.com/enhancedarticle/BAES_156125/typhoon

 

 

• Brakes off to take off in less than 8 seconds and supersonic under 30 seconds.
  
• Brakes off to 36,000 feet Mach 1.6 in under 2½ minutes
  

 

 

Quotes from that same website, which sounds exactly how a plane like this should perform. 2.5 mn is 150sec. The climb isn't done at supersonic speeds usually (top of the power curve tends to be at M0.9-0.95), so you can expect 90 sec to get up to altitude, and another 60 to get up to speed - if you're accelerating during the level-out at 36000' (during a schedule climb the level-out can be slow so you can accelerate as you start reducing climb angle) then you'll need less time to reach M1.6 ... thus the <2.5 min quote.

 

Climb rate of 62000' is initial climb rate only, thrust and thus climb rate falls off with altitude.

 

They don't say with what payload though ... sounds very similar to an F-15C with no tanks, though IIRC the F-15 will be a bit slower, which makes sense since it's a heavier aircraft with older engines.

 

 

I believe the Streak Eagle was even faster although that wasn't exactly a standard production model F-15.

It was a production F-15A, but it was modified quite a bit in terms of removing things to reduce weight. On the other hand, it was still a production F-15A unlike some competitors :)

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F-15Cs could go. This seems to lack foresight and planning.

 

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130915/DEFREG02/309150004/USAF-Weighs-Scrapping-KC-10-10-Fleets

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• Brakes off to take off in less than 8 seconds and supersonic under 30 seconds.
  
• Brakes off to 36,000 feet Mach 1.6 in under 2½ minutes
  

 

 

Quotes from that same website, which sounds exactly how a plane like this should perform. 2.5 mn is 150sec. The climb isn't done at supersonic speeds usually (top of the power curve tends to be at M0.9-0.95), so you can expect 90 sec to get up to altitude, and another 60 to get up to speed - if you're accelerating during the level-out at 36000' (during a schedule climb the level-out can be slow so you can accelerate as you start reducing climb angle) then you'll need less time to reach M1.6 ... thus the <2.5 min quote.

 

Climb rate of 62000' is initial climb rate only, thrust and thus climb rate falls off with altitude.

 

They don't say with what payload though ... sounds very similar to an F-15C with no tanks, though IIRC the F-15 will be a bit slower, which makes sense since it's a heavier aircraft with older engines.

 

 

It was a production F-15A, but it was modified quite a bit in terms of removing things to reduce weight. On the other hand, it was still a production F-15A unlike some competitors :)

If I didn't know the figures I wouldn't have replied.

 

How does a climb at Mach 0.95 starting from supersonic equal 60s for 36000ft, assuming that the plane is actually starting from ground level and didn't do some climbing on the way to supersonic, which it does because that actually makes reaching supersonic easier.

 

Furthermore the top of the power curve is not at Mach 0.9-0.95 even at ground level, and certainly not at altitude for the EJ200s.

 

The article is as wrong about the performance as it is about its claims that the Typhoon is the most advanced jet fighter. 150s to Mach 1.6 is probably very conservative since even an F-16C Blk52 can manage Mach 1.0-1.6 in about 50s at that altitude.

 

 

It could be that the 2.5 minute figure is with drop tanks (air superiority not interceptor configuration). That could conceivably slow down climb to 90s and acceleration from Mach 1.0-1.6 to 60s.

 

A production F-15A running in a configuration that had a thrust-to-weight ratio of nearly 2:1 as referenced in an Su-27 documentary. Hence why it managed to reach 40,000ft in 59s. You'll also note that the sound barrier is broken during the climb.

 

 

Probably more comparable to an EAP demonstrator fitted with XG-40-2 engines and a light fuel load.

Edited September 18, 2013 by countto10

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More S-350 information.

 

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-633.html

 

Looks like the (9M100 is a self-defence missile, possibly for use against enemy AGMs.

[FoxHoundELite]

WTF????

 

http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/19/f-22-f-4-intercept/#.Ujs2ksanqm8

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So there are fighters escorting UAVs? That makes sense not.

[Python]

No, they were just there to give the F-4 pilots the birdy.

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No, they were just there to give the F-4 pilots the birdy.

From article.

 

After this attempted interception the Pentagon decided to escort the drones involved in ISR (intelligence surveillance reconnaissance) missions with fighter jets (either F-18 Hornets with the CVW 9 embarked on the USS John C. Stennis whose Carrier Strike Group is currently in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility or F-22 Raptors like those deployed to Al Dhafra in the UAE.

 

They're now effectively using an unmanned plane that needs manned planes to escort it.:D

[Pilotasso]

I dunno, its so stupid to even write something like this on the internet that it might actually be true. :D

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Even the new ZU-23 looks ugly. Those little 23mm gun positions on DCS now have Igla-S.

 

http://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/Dr_Igor_Sutyagin_part_3.pdf

[Namenlos Ein]

WTF????

 

http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/19/f-22-f-4-intercept/#.Ujs2ksanqm8

 

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Declassified document: US narrowly escaped nuclear blast in 1961 H-bomb accident

Edited September 23, 2013 by Namenlos Ein

[STRYKE]

From article.

 

 

 

They're now effectively using an unmanned plane that needs manned planes to escort it.:D

-Why the police is armed with rifles?

-So that bandits will not take their pistols!

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-Why the police is armed with rifles?

-So that bandits will not take their pistols!

I liken it to having a policeman stand next to every speed camera so that people won't set them on fire or blow them up (the speed camera that is).

[Griffin]

South Korea rejects F-15SE, says not good enough

 

South Korea on Tuesday rejected Boeing Co.'s bid to supply 60 fighter jets in the country's largest-ever weapons purchase even though it was the sole remaining bidder, and said it would reopen the tender.

 

Boeing had offered its F-15 Silent Eagle, but South Korean critics have said the warplane lacks state-of-the-art stealth capabilities and cannot effectively cope with North Korea's increasing nuclear threats.

 

Defense Ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok said officials decided at a meeting Tuesday to delay naming a winning bidder for the 8.3 trillion won ($7.7 billion) purchase, and would restart the bidding process at an early date.

http://www.seattlepi.com/default/article/SKorea-rejects-Boeing-says-F-15-not-good-enough-4838194.php

[HiJack]

Here’s a really interesting video.

 

It shows the QF-16 Full Scale Aerial Target’s first flight on Sept. 19 from Tyndall Air Force base in Florida from a quite unusual perspective: a camera pointing towards an empty ejection seat

 

http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/23/qf-16-test-video/#.UkFXyfM4Us8

[Griffin]

After 47 years of RAF service, the VC10 has taken to the skies for its final air-to-air refuelling operational sortie

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/final-flight-of-the-vc10

[Pepec9124]

Here’s a really interesting video.

 

It shows the QF-16 Full Scale Aerial Target’s first flight on Sept. 19 from Tyndall Air Force base in Florida from a quite unusual perspective: a camera pointing towards an empty ejection seat

 

http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/23/qf-16-test-video/#.UkFXyfM4Us8

 

 

Someone has violated ED's NDA and posted DCS F-16 video.

[Python]

After 47 years of RAF service, the VC10 has taken to the skies for its final air-to-air refuelling operational sortie

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/final-flight-of-the-vc10

 

 

Very sad indeed but the old girl did us proud!! If only she had won the battle against the Boeing our airliners would have been a heck of a lot prettier. :music_whistling: