TM Warthog stick saturation issues.

[MatzWarhog]

Someone replied to me regarding their stick saturation the other day. I can't find it for the life of me now!! I'm trying to smooth my controls up while keeping them accurate and snappy. What Curves, Saturations, Deadzones are most of you TM Warthog owners using? I know this has also been addressed previously as well, but on my Saitek Pro Pedals... The don't brake equally very well at all, and are super sensitive when toe braking. Any of you care to share your best settings?? TIA for any input!!!

 

Matz

[FreeFall]

With stick I have:

 

Deadzone: 0

Saturation X: 100

Saturation Y: 100

Curvature: 12

 

Curvature is adjusted mainly because of easier air to air refuel.

 

I've also adjusted Throttle a bit, see this message:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1330608&postcount=83

 

EDIT: I Forgot to mention my Saitek Combat Pedals. I have Rudder Curvature of 30. Wheel brakes are with default settings.

Edited January 14, 2013 by FreeFall
added Rudder Pedal info

[dburne]

That is pretty much how I have mine, for my Warthog stick, except I have deadzone of 1.

My Saitek Combat Rudder pedals, I have a curvature of 15.

 

On my wheel brakes on the Combat Pedals, I have deadzone of 2, saturation of 100, curvature of 4, and of course the invert box is ticked...

[MatzWarhog]

Thanks guys... still looking for that just right feel...

[OttoPus]

Since I switched to the TM Warthog, I feel no need to modify default saturation or curvature. It's just perfect right out of the box, precise and sensitive.

[Kaiza]

The only mod I have made is an increase in the saturation on the slew control. Everything else I find great right out of the box.

[PhoenixBvo]

Curvature is adjusted mainly because of easier air to air refuel.

 

You could use inflight curve switching for AAR and such. I made a T.A.R.G.E.T. profile which does just that, including indication using the LEDs on the throttle unit. Look in my sig for the download.

 

PS: I also use the default (input matches output linearly) for the stick under most flight conditions. It's so precise that it suffices for normal flight and quick reactions/dynamic maneuvers. When more precision is required, I can adjust the curve in five increments giving precise in-flight control of the response curve I need.

Edited January 14, 2013 by PhoenixBvo
clarification

[skouras]

curvature should be adjusted a little for more precise AAR

[Dejjvid]

I use something around 25 in curvature.

I have no problems what so ever with formation flying and AAR. But I tend to over correct if I use lower curvature. But I've removed the big spring in the stick, so it requires much less force to move the stick.

[PhoenixBvo]

What does your stick do if you don't hold it? Does it flop over, or still keep centered? WHY have you removed that spring? IMO it's very smooth already. But I did add better quality bearing grease on the ball joint in the stick base.

[Dejjvid]

[MatzWarhog]

Thans for all the input... I'm planning on trying your profile PhoenixBvo. I use the pinky lever/trigger (the tall one in front of the the "Nose Wheel Steering" button) to recenter my TIR easily and quickly. Will the profile effect that?

 

Matz

[PhoenixBvo]

I use the pinky lever/trigger (the tall one in front of the "Nose Wheel Steering" button) to recenter my TIR easily and quickly. Will the profile effect that?

 

Out-of-the-box, yes it will, since it uses the pinky lever as the modifier for the additional functions. Also, it uses some modified key bindings (mainly DirectX buttons) in DCS, which is why you have to follow the instructions in the readme to use it properly (for DCS World the directories have changed slightly, but they are similar. You should still be able to find the files. I'm not at my flight sim rig at the moment, sorry :cry:).

 

My advice is that you adapt the profile to your own preferences (Check the TARGET_SCRIPT_EDITOR_basics.pdf if you need some info on the syntax of a TARGET profile). The .ttm file contains the macros (key bindings) for all the functions. You'll have to check the bottom two lines:

define TrackIRPause				PULSE+R_ALT+SCRLCK
define TrackIRReset				PULSE+R_ALT+BRK

and change them to match your TrackIR settings.

The .tmc file contains all the button assignments as MapKey() statements. The MapKeyIO() statements use the modifier (pinky lever) to map an additional function. For example:

MapKeyIO(&Joystick, S2, NightVision, WeaponRelease);   // With Pinky: toggle night vision

So NightVision is toggled when you first press and hold the pinky lever and then the weapon release button (= S2).

I put the TrackIR functionality on the LTB (= Left Throttle Button) which is the red button on the left throttle lever. This sacrifices the autopilot shortcut, but I'm happy with it since the AP engage is still on the throttle base.

 

One final note:

RotateDXAxis(DX_X_AXIS, DX_Y_AXIS, -15); //simulate a -15 deg twisted centred stick for the A-10.

This line in the .tmc can be adjusted to match your stick rotation. I have bolted my stick to my seat to replicate the centerstick in the A-10. Because your right arm comes at an angle to grab the stick, it is more ergonomical to rotate it to allow a straight wrist with the optimal grip. But this would mean that you also have to pull slightly to the right to make a wings level pull up maneuver. The code line means the axes are mixed to match the twist angle such that you can pull straight with respect to your chair to achieve a wings level pull up maneuver.

[MatzWarhog]

Thanks for the profile PhoenixBvo! I like the Throttle button for the AP as well!

 

Matz

[PhoenixBvo]

You mean you like the idea to put the TIR on that button, or you like to use it for the AP?

[MatzWarhog]

You mean you like the idea to put the TIR on that button, or you like to use it for the AP?

 

After I loaded your profile, I have it there. Should be there in the profile, correct?

[PhoenixBvo]

OK, now I understand. Roger that, the TIR pause/center should be mapped to the LTB (left throttle button) in my profile.

 

You can expand the profile to your liking. I recently added the following snapviews:

	
MapKeyIO(&Joystick, H3U,  UFC_snapview, DataManagementUp);
MapKeyIO(&Joystick, H3D,  TACILS_snapview, DataManagementDown);
MapKeyIO(&Joystick, H3L, RADIOS_snapview, DataManagementLeft);
MapKeyIO(&Joystick, H3R, CDU_snapview, DataManagementRight);

[MatzWarhog]

OK, now I understand. Roger that, the TIR pause/center should be mapped to the LTB (left throttle button) in my profile.

 

You can expand the profile to your liking. I recently added the following snapviews:

	
MapKeyIO(&Joystick, H3U,  UFC_snapview, DataManagementUp);
MapKeyIO(&Joystick, H3D,  TACILS_snapview, DataManagementDown);
MapKeyIO(&Joystick, H3L, RADIOS_snapview, DataManagementLeft);
MapKeyIO(&Joystick, H3R, CDU_snapview, DataManagementRight);

 

Excellent! I have my TIR on the paddle and AP on the throttle button. Works quite well!! Thanks again!

 

Matz