Comparision between Falcon AF and LockOn

[The Beast]

Neither of them are real. Like I stated before, I don't give a rat's ass about choosing between the two. I like both for what they are, as I like IL2/FB/PF for what it is.

 

Next time I get my friend over (which is difficult) I'll ask him how real any of it is. He does the real thing for a living. Frankly, I think it's stupid to argue over what is more "real". Alot of people bought Crimson Skies, which was as arcade as you can get. But it was fun. And we're playing these computer games/sims because they're fun.

 

what they are not real?? no kidding i never said they where i said one has more realism than the other that all i said as far as your friend is concerned ill go to work tomarrow and ask a dozen pilots what they think. hell ill even ask they guys at work what they think. so yeah by which ever one you want neither are real some are just closer to realism than others

[SwingKid]

Lock On won me away from Falcon 4 even when it was still Flanker 2.0, by allowing to fly different aircraft from different countries. I really, really miss having a dynamic campaign, but in the end - DACM was even more important to me, and that's something that nobody in the Falcon 4 community seems to have figured out, even after seven years of modding. Despite Lock On's many (IMHO) gameplay disadvantages to Falcon 4, I also like the Russian- and English-language communities here - always pulling in opposite directions to keep the sim "honest" and real. That's a huge asset.

 

That said - I still usually recommend F4 over LO to newbies. If you'd prefer LO, you'd probably already know, regardless of my recommendation. And are probably not a newbie. ;)

 

-SK

[Guest ruggbutt]

what they are not real?? no kidding i never said they where i said one has more realism than the other that all i said as far as your friend is concerned ill go to work tomarrow and ask a dozen pilots what they think. hell ill even ask they guys at work what they think. so yeah by which ever one you want neither are real some are just closer to realism than others

Dude, I'm not interested in arguing a point w/someone who's obviously biased one way. Besides, I like both and since neither you nor I are fighter pilots it's a waste of time. NJ on the attempted troll though.

[The Beast]

Dude, I'm not interested in arguing a point w/someone who's obviously biased one way. Besides, I like both and since neither you nor I are fighter pilots it's a waste of time. NJ on the attempted troll though.

 

yeah yeah your right lets leave it alone and say to each his own

[BuzzU]

yeah yeah your right lets leave it alone and say to each his own

 

 

Same sig as Weaponz on the Falcon forum. Are you the same?

 

 

http://www.f4hq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9784&st=50

[SUBS17]

Well I like Lockons graphics but AFs graphics are starting to catch up! Whats more the issues that prevented me playing F4 before such as CTDs etc have been fixed to a point where AF runs quite stable. Just for an example of the difference between the two, today I did a Squadron mission and the 4 of us attacked a runway, I inputted my popup into the ICP as well as the targets grid coordinates and followed the run. The popup attack symbols appeared in my HUD and on my ingress I followed them to successfully destroy several hangars in a single pass. Thats the big difference between the two is that F4 you're in a multirole aircraft so alot of things are different. On the other hand I 've done A/G missions involving hitting convoys with mavericks and having to ID the target to avoid hitting civilian vehicles in lockon. I still use 1.02 and FC for online play. The reality is both sims are good although different aspects of jet combat are covered in each one.

[sullione]

Uh-oh, somebody's a weapons troop. Beast, how long hve you been in?

[The Beast]

Same sig as Weaponz on the Falcon forum. Are you the same?

 

 

http://www.f4hq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9784&st=50

 

same guy man

[The Beast]

Uh-oh, somebody's a weapons troop. Beast, how long hve you been in?

 

almost six years

[leafer]

Lock On won me away from Falcon 4 even when it was still Flanker 2.0, by allowing to fly different aircraft from different countries. I really, really miss having a dynamic campaign, but in the end - DACM was even more important to me, and that's something that nobody in the Falcon 4 community seems to have figured out, even after seven years of modding. Despite Lock On's many (IMHO) gameplay disadvantages to Falcon 4, I also like the Russian- and English-language communities here - always pulling in opposite directions to keep the sim "honest" and real. That's a huge asset.

 

That said - I still usually recommend F4 over LO to newbies. If you'd prefer LO, you'd probably already know, regardless of my recommendation. And are probably not a newbie. ;)

 

-SK

 

What's DACM?

 

And did anyone ever mistaken you for a pop singer named Robbie William? teh hehehe

 

:)

[Fjordmonkey]

Personally, I find that Lock On fills my quota of Jet-fun. I've tried F4AF, and even though I've been a flightsim-fanatic since the good old days of F/A-18 and Knights of the Sky for the old Amiga-system, I still find that Lock On gives me what I need, which is quick, thrilling action without having to study a 450-page TCTO/flight-manual in order to take a jet out for a spin or two. If you want THAT kind of realism, I don't think there's anything else out there than F4AF.

 

True, F4AF has unrivaled realism when it comes to procedures system-wise for the F16, and that their dynamic campaign and comms-system is damn nice. But I still find that I prefer Lock On, just as much for the fact that it looks nicer, but also because I can fly what I believe to be a fairly accurate simulation for russian military hardware. Given, though, I have never flown in either an F16 (flown an F16 MLU-sim as part of my discharge-bonus from the airforce, though, and I find F4AF to be lacking in comparison, especially in terms of how the aircraft handles) or anything russian-built, but as others have said, Lock On just feels better.

 

In my years as a gamer, I've often seen a game with superior graphics suck majorly in just about every other thing. And I've seen games with simple graphics be addictive as hell, challenging and just insane amounts of fun. I think that in the flightsim-world, graphics do count for a bit, but it's by no means everything there is to a game. Not to me, at least.

 

It all boils down to personal preference, really. What people see as fun is what they will play and defend. It's true as one said here that both F4 and Lock On-fans can be fairly fanatic about their sims. But hey, we're all Fuel-heads :D

[Whisper]

The "holier than thou" attitude of F4 fanbois is exactly what made me split from F4 community (long time ago, it's a long-time plague). See the comments on linked thread above.

 

IMHO you should go LO:FC if you're looking for a good Air to Ground experience, old style.

I don't play A2A enough, I think both sims have their strong points (true multi-platform for LO, better EM environnement for F4, but LO coming back there, better F16 cockpit and avionics for F4, if I go quick)

Campaign is winner for F4

Flight models, I felt better with the original LO ones, and FC models definitely won it for me, F4 felt too... responsive and automatic (I don't know how to express it). It's a non-true pilot PoV, so it's only feeling. FC challenging FM though add much to the sim.

Graphics, well, nothing new, LO > F4, now the question is, does it matter? For A2G missions, CAS style, definitely. Has soon as you skip out radar as your primary sensor, you'll find that graphic becomes a central points in realism. If you stay focused on radar, with outside vision limited to your mav' seeker shown in right MFD, then sure, graphics is cool, but not that important. If your eye really becomes your primary sensor, then suddenly... That's why modelling CAS planes is a very good decision by ED.

[Cosmonaut]

One big difference is that as an F4 fanboi you can post criticism here like "lockon is an arcade game", with out being band.. try posting that "lockon is better than F4" on the Falcon forums and see what happens ;). Those F4 boards always read like a who's the biggest F4 fan.. "I am" .. "no, no I am the biggest F4 fan" ;)

 

What I never understand is why anyone posts in a forum for a game/sim they don't even like. I mean I have F4 but like SwingKid Flanker 2.5 won me over .. hell I don't even know where my copy of F4 is. And the main reason it didnt last long on my HD wasn't the fact that my Cell Phone could run F4 with the graphics set on high but the fact that there is no feeling of flight.. none what so ever, not even a little bit. The feeling of flight is what motivates most people to want to fly and what motivates most real world pilots too actually fly. I can't imagine for one minute a little boy saying "when I grow up I want to be a pilot because of the avionics suite in the F16" if he did then he would need serious medical attention ;). F4 always felt like I was just pushing a bitmap of an F16 cockpit around the screen so for me F4 fails to even be considered a flightsim.. ooohh controversial lol but its true!. If you want to get a feel of what its like to fly and fight in a fighter jet that weighs several tons with thousands of pounds of thrust behind you then you can't beat lockon. If you want to simulate an F16's place as combat machine in/on the battle field then F4 is your sim. However that is meaningless to me too be honest because you'll never know what it's like to fly an aircraft and if you were ever given control of a real plane I bet you wouldn't have a clue as to how a plane would react to your stick, throttle and rudder in puts. Sure you would know what buttons do what in one plane (F16) but as soon as you moved the stick you'd be in trouble. I think a lockon pilot would fair much better in a real life situation which is why a lot of F4 guys think the Fm's in lockon are poor …that's because they're not use to flying realistic fm's.

[BuzzU]

Won't it be funny when ED makes an F-16, and the FM feels the same as F4..:) (Buzz ducks out the back dor)

[Cosmonaut]

Won't it be funny when ED makes an F-16, and the FM feels the same as F4..:) (Buzz ducks out the back dor)

 

LOL .. I doubt it. Even if the numbers are the same the feeling of flight will always be better in lockon.

[Yellonet]

My attitude is that you love each sim for the enjoyment it gives you. Otherwise uninstall it. I fly more than one sim, and I do so for different reasons. And I refuse to choose between playing one or the other. Cuz no one can make me play just one! ;)

 

 

 

Having had the controls of a real plane, and flown down low and fast in planes and choppers LOMAC feels better to me. A family friend of ours is an F16 instructor at Luke. He told me Lock On felt more real.

Yep, but IMO even most people that haven't flown at all would say that LockOn feels more like flying than F4, because we can all *feel* even without *knowing*.

[Yellonet]

Found this on F4HQ... sounds like a challenge to me ;)

 

I think we should have a tournament between AF and LOMAC. Bring them over to AF and kill them' date=' then switch over to LOMAC and kill them some more while drooling over the graphics. anyways, I'd put money on AF pilots over LOMAC any day[/quote']

[Manny]

One big difference is that as an F4 fanboi you can post criticism here like "lockon is an arcade game", with out being band.. try posting that "lockon is better than F4" on the Falcon forums and see what happens ;). Those F4 boards always read like a who's the biggest F4 fan.. "I am" .. "no, no I am the biggest F4 fan" ;)

 

Cosmo; This is why I question why the mods allow these threads to persist and ensue no matter how civil. There is no magic or mysterious formula to understanding these sims.

 

Go purchase both and find out for yourself. Only opinions welcome here: That serves no purpose because all you will receive is an opinion and that is what the F4 forums are full of, someones opinion about a simulation they never owned or another opinion about how much better F4 is or how LO-MAC is an arcade game, etc.

 

What, LO-MAC Gold is selling for @$30 at EB, GS, BB these days? not to mention the 1.11 update is free! Go check it out for yourself, and determine for yourself which you prefer. Will LO-MAC become a coaster? Will F4? WIll you enjoy both? Go find out for yourself but I am of the opinion these threads are "innocently" designed, just like over at the F4 forums, to "provoke" a response that compares the two just like Cosmo wrote.

 

Then the subsequent rubbish and babble degrades even an honest attempt into an all out war of opinions and words.

[Jester_159th]

Found this on F4HQ... sounds like a challenge to me ;)

 

 

No challenge there at all. Having flown both quite a bit I'm confident that the good pilots will be good in either sim. Given the time to learn the basic key commands that is.

 

TBH I really don't understand these elitists that swear one is better than the other. Both F4 and LOMAC have good things to offer the virtual pilot. I personally am happy to enjoy both.

 

(EDIT: Not referring to Yellonet here....More to the guy he quoted from the other forum and anyone else where the cap fits!!)

[BuzzU]

I know we have RL Viper pilots flying F4, and I assume we have the same in Lock On. With that said. Both sims must be ok to attract the real deal.

 

Just fly what you like, and let it go at that.

[Cosmonaut]

Manny, I understand what you're saying and I agree some what but I don't agree that threads asking for opinions comparing the two sims should be locked, I would hate for this board to turn into the likes of an F4 debate where we are only allowed to talk about one sim. Although I do agree sometimes these threads are suspect in their nature but as long as things don't get too heated then I say let them come to a natural conclusion.. and let the mods mod ;)

 

I have said it many times in many different Lock V F4 threads that you should just try them all then fly both or one or none.. what ever melts your butter :)

[Manny]

quote=Jester_159th

 

No challenge there at all. Having flown both quite a bit I'm confident that the good pilots will be good in either sim. Given the time to learn the basic key commands that is.

 

I hope this is in reference ot both simulations whereas in F4:AF the original Falcon 4 manual, thakn God I have it, is a necessity and the F4:AF manual completely lacks any information to explain how to perform what they demonstrate in their "reference guide."

 

I found the SuperPak3 Manual much more complete a compilation of F4 operation. I may not have had to learn key commands immediately in F4:AF but I certainly had to in order to program my HOTAS and to this day I still use a certain set on the keyboard.

[Cosmonaut]

Originally Posted by Gambit

I think we should have a tournament between AF and LOMAC. Bring them over to AF and kill them, then switch over to LOMAC and kill them some more while drooling over the graphics. anyways, I'd put money on AF pilots over LOMAC any day

 

Just saw this above .. lmao He wins the biggest F4 fanboi trophy, how old is that kid.. like ten or something?? hehe If he ever does play lockon to see which pilots are better then I hope he wins because if he lost I think he'd probably kill himself. :rolleyes:

[Jester_159th]

Manny:

 

I was referring to good pilots full stop. Whichever their personal favorite sim is. In my experience a good pilot will remain a good pilot no matter what sim they fly (after they've had time to learn the basic key commands of course). They seem to have this built in ability to naturally accomodate the different flight charateristics of different planes and different sims and adapt their tactics to match without having to think about it too much.

 

I wouldn't mind being able to do that myself someday!

[SUBS17]

A good pilot can dogfight with both Sims. ;) And Janes F/A-18 with the TSH mods. To be honest I'm looking forward to both Destroyer and FighterOps, it will certainly be interesting to see how both of these turn out.