Weapon Release Demonstration

[Manny]

Eagle Dynamics, et. al., per your request to view a track demonstrater MERs and the WSCP.

 

I have an appropriate load to demonstrate an apparent break in WSCP logic as compared to actual weapon release.

 

Please view at

 

http://home.comcast.net/~ishareef/Weapon_Release_Demo.trk

[Ironhand]

Hi Manny,

 

Hope you don't mind, since I'm not with ED, but I took a look at your track. I don't see any problem with the WSCP logic. You set the salvo size to 'ALL' with the release mode switch set to 'SSC-MJM SERIES'. You evidently wanted all MERs to release their bombs. So far so good.

 

What you seemed to forget, however, is that MER munitions on the -25T are released 0.3 seconds apart. In your case, you instructed the system to release a total of 16 bombs. That represents a total of 4.8 seconds from the start of the release sequence to the finish. And you must keep the weapons release button depressed the entire time or you interrupt and stop the release sequence. It looks like you pressed the trigger and, then, let it go rather than continuing to hold it down.

 

For giggles, I took control of your track at the release point and held the trigger down myself. All bombs on the MERs released as they should per your settings.

 

Rich

[BuzzU]

Oops!

[504MrWolf]

shazzam !

[Alfa]

Now Manny, about that manual.....

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

ahahahaha PWND

[Force_Feedback]

Now Manny, about that manual.....

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

 

That's what we shall call "Biatchslapped" from now on :p

 

The gool 'ole manual beats all the noobs

 

(with respect to them, but still: read the freindly manual)

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

friendly ?

 

heres me thinking it was something else :)

[Ironhand]

In fairness to Manny, I'm not sure the manual clearly states that you must press and HOLD the release button through the entire sequence in the relevant sections. But maybe it does. Who am I to say? Manual? Did we get one? Where do I find that? :)

 

Rich

[Iron Legionnaire]

Dunno about the manual, but it tells you to hold down the trigger until all munitions are released in the training tracks...

 

About the manual, though... I recall reading/seeing somewhere that bombs on the outermost pylons (2, 3, 7, & 8) are released in symmetric pairs to avoid overly unbalancing the aircraft, whereas bombs can be dropped singly from the innermost pylons (not talking about MERs here). I played the quick-fly Su-25 mission today w/ the default loadout (4 RBK-250s, 2 S-25Ls, 2 MER*4 FAB-100s), and I was able to single-release the RBKs from the outermost pylons.

 

From Page 47 of the Lockon 1.1 Manual

 

Note that even the "NO 1" setting will still release ordnance hung from the outermost weapon stations in symmetric pairs, to avoid excessively unbalancing the aircraft. Only the four innermost wing stations provide individual release with this setting.

 

Was this something that was changed in a patch subsequent to the 1.1 release? To be fair, I'm not really complaining, heh. I'd rather use only the amount of ordnance needed on a target, and it only took a little bit of trim to sort out the imbalance.

[504MrWolf]

all quiet in "Camp Manny" ;)

[Force_Feedback]

all quiet in "Camp Manny" ;)

 

Let's hope it stays so, until a real bug is discovered by him. :p

 

Nothing personal though, Manny. :D

[Yellonet]

I don't understand why you have to be so mean just because he made a mistake.

[Manny]

I don't understand why you have to be so mean just because he made a mistake.

 

Ironhand, thanks buddy, I missed that in the training and thought if choosing the "Zero Time" release and all weapons pickle simultaneously, then the MER/KMGU release mode that is greater than 0.3 seconds will release an order of eggs sunnyside up over a distance.

 

Yellonet, thank you for expressing your understanding of the community you are in...

 

To all with exception to Ironhand and Yellonet, your fanboiism is accepted, please pay your club fees on the alter of your ego... :p

 

Ok that is one mistake I reported, counting "1"

 

Ironhand, what did you think of my hot and heavy approach? Thought the wheels would peel off did ya?

 

:icon_jook

[Manny]

Now Manny, about that manual.....

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

 

Hey screw the manual; it doesn't even adequately explain the 25T fuel gauge ... ;)

 

Nevertheless, there is a cadre of LO-MAC fanbois and geeks to rely on so who needs a manual Alfa?

 

Nonetheless, I am satisfied I can now deploy any and all weapons carried by the Su-25T with precision since I understand how to properly use the MERs and FAB-100s.

[504 Wolverine]

Well in respect to the other forum members, some of us have flown nothing but the 25 or (in my case) the 25T since 1.1 was released.

 

Do you not think that if this was a bug it would have been spotted already? ;)

 

The only problem that I seen in 1.1 was that if the gunpod was used in conjunction with the laser then only 2 bursts of gunfire was possible but it seems to be fixed now.

[Manny]

quote=(504) Wolverine

 

Do you not think that if this was a bug it would have been spotted already? ;)

 

No, not necessarily and further more not my concern. If this forum can't be utilized to hash out operator error or legitimate bugs in a civil manner, then I suggest the 25T Fanbois release their passion and sexual frustration in the Falcon 4: AF forums with as much ferver and conviction... ;)

 

I am sure the response will be less than kind.

 

The only problem that I seen in 1.1 was that if the gunpod was used in conjunction with the laser then only 2 bursts of gunfire was possible but it seems to be fixed now.

 

I never encoutered this problem in the 25T. There is a gun configuration control allowing continuous fire but I am sure you already know that.

[Alfa]

Hey screw the manual; it doesn't even adequately explain the 25T fuel gauge ... ;)

 

Nevertheless, there is a cadre of LO-MAC fanbois and geeks to rely on so who needs a manual Alfa?

 

:bebebe:

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[504 Wolverine]

Oh look, branded a 25T fanboi. Thanks :D

 

Although is that supposed to be an insult. :p :icon_lol:

 

I suggest you should spend your time flying FC to enjoy it instead of faultfinding, thats what the betatesters are for...... Oh thats it.... You after a betatester job.;)

[Yellonet]

Oh look, branded a 25T fanboi. Thanks :D

 

Although is that supposed to be an insult. :p :icon_lol:

 

I suggest you should spend your time flying FC to enjoy it instead of faultfinding, thats what the betatesters are for...... Oh thats it.... You after a betatester job.;)

I don't think he's out to find faults, but just stumbled on something that seemed to be wrong, it wasn't, but that's no reason to be unfriendly.

[504 Wolverine]

I don't think he's out to find faults, but just stumbled on something that seemed to be wrong, it wasn't, but that's no reason to be unfriendly.

 

Yeah and I don't think there is any reason for his lashing out at me either.

[Alfa]

I don't think he's out to find faults, but just stumbled on something that seemed to be wrong, it wasn't, but that's no reason to be unfriendly.

 

Lighten up mate - its just some friendly teasing.

 

Manny will survive....I promise :biggrin:

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[S77th-GOYA]

Nevertheless, there is a cadre of LO-MAC fanbois and geeks to rely on so who needs a manual Alfa?

 

Apparently, you do. I think you'll find that you can go to the well too often and soon you'll find all your questions answered with "RTFM".

[Manny]

:bebebe:

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

 

Ok k k k k k k k k ... checking download time on Flaming Cliffs 1.1 Manual from Lockon.ru :cool:

 

WIll peruse at my leisure

[BuzzU]

Saying "Oops", because you made a mistake, makes me a fanboi???

 

You need to thicken up that skin a little bud.