Fixed wing farp

[speckfire]

I tried to implement a fully functional and tested helo farp next to a major highway to repair, rearm and refuel fixed wing planes landing on the road but alas it did not work.

 

I think this would be a major game changer/enhancement in DCSW since you no longer would be attached to known fixed airports and in a multiplayer scenario the possibilities would endless. Just find a suitable long road/highway

 

Lots of new coming mods and existing ones could benefit from this, ie the harrier, mig-21, P51 etc etc.

 

I would like to know from the community's opinion and ED if this might be a popular and feasible implementation.

[EtherealN]

I like the idea, specifically since my country (sweden) uses road bases as part of it's doctrine.

 

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Clip from an old crap movie, but demonstrates part of it. :)

 

Unfortunately, I suspect there may be some severe technical hurdles to this, but perhaps if an "invisible" FARP object was created? Hopefully we'll get something like it. :)

[joey45]

It would probably need to be fixed in the map cos you'll need a fairly flat bit of land...

[EtherealN]

Not entirely sure: could operate simply on you being able to land at all, and if within the FARP object radius allow refue/rearm (not repair). Selecting suitable sites would be up to mission designer.

 

But yeah, I don't know exactly how easy or difficult this would be to implement since I don't know exactly how FARP works in code. And since we don't currently have aircraft that are designed for this as flyables, not sure if it's worth it - especially since we'd then need to implement AI logic as well for non-player aircraft... Suspect that will be the biggest problem.

[speckfire]

Tons of flat lands in the present map. If you put it on a sloped area it still should work. The onus is on you to find a suitable place, just like the helo farp.

 

I think it should work bcs it does for the KA-50. Simply add fixed wing options, since local airports handle the KA-50 as well.

 

Here are more road takeoffs

 

A-10

 

Mig-21 PAF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC6mE5bNwI8

 

F-18 FAF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNuVCvIGKxE

[EtherealN]

I think it should work bcs it does for the KA-50.

 

Things that seem simple in "human language" are not necessarily easy in code, unfortunately.

 

But I like the idea.

[speckfire]

Things that seem simple in "human language" are not necessarily easy in code, unfortunately.

 

But I like the idea.

 

Thanks, hopefully it's possible.

[karambiatos]

Thanks, hopefully it's possible.

weeell anythings possible :)

 

 

the making of a farp on the road would be the that much of a problem, making the road not explode your aircraft will be the bigger problem as it has to do with textures and their settings withing the game (most likely)

 

but it would be really awesome to have

[blkspade]

Things that seem simple in "human language" are not necessarily easy in code, unfortunately.

 

But I like the idea.

 

Actually there is no reason why the required code isn't already there. The logic that handles rearm/repair should be universal, as long as a given set of parameters are true. One thing that is fixed in DCS World, is the ability to do these things while in the grass at the airfield. This tells me that they fixed the previous logic where grass was some out of bounds area irrespective of proximity to the airfield. In FC2, if you had one wheel sitting on something that wasn't tarmac, your requests would be ignored. Not an issue now in FC3, aside from the repair process being broken in general for the F-15, or the A-10C.

[Jona33]

weeell anythings possible :)

 

 

the making of a farp on the road would be the that much of a problem, making the road not explode your aircraft will be the bigger problem as it has to do with textures and their settings withing the game (most likely)

 

but it would be really awesome to have

 

You can land on roads fine at the moment.

[KLR Rico]

Maybe a vehicle group could do the job? Like putting a supply truck near a road?

 

Is that how is re-arming accomplished in CA? If so, maybe extend the function to the appropriate aircraft?

[Cp]

Don't know how other countries do it, but the roadbases the Swedish airforce uses/used weren't just random pieces of flat road, they were specifically planned and built to function both as road and as airbases, often with aprons for refueling, reloading and shelters for parking.

 

Heres one, as you can see its not just a random piece of road, its built to be a runway:

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=&hl=en&ll=57.329139,14.118826&spn=0.011433,0.033023&sll=57.674786,14.93042&sspn=5.801511,16.907959&t=k&hq=Hagshult&z=16

 

I doubt there are any roadbases in the black sea area or in Nevada that we can use.

[speckfire]

 

I doubt there are any roadbases in the black sea area or in Nevada that we can use.

 

There are lots of roads where you can land and takeoff successfully ;)

[EtherealN]

Don't know how other countries do it, but the roadbases the Swedish airforce uses/used weren't just random pieces of flat road, they were specifically planned and built to function both as road and as airbases, often with aprons for refueling, reloading and shelters for parking.

 

Heres one, as you can see its not just a random piece of road, its built to be a runway:

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=&hl=en&ll=57.329139,14.118826&spn=0.011433,0.033023&sll=57.674786,14.93042&sspn=5.801511,16.907959&t=k&hq=Hagshult&z=16

 

I doubt there are any roadbases in the black sea area or in Nevada that we can use.

 

The Poles had use of their MiG-21's in a similar fasion, but with less preparation of the surfaces. If you have the money, you do as much as you can, but the concept can work without it.

[Suchacz]

What a great Idea! It would bring new tactical posibilities to missions.

 

BTW... I think, that every country has it's "secret" highway airstrip(s). Our ones in Czech republic:

 

D1 highway Prague - Brno near Velke Mezirici

 

Highway Brno - Olomouc near Vyskov

 

 

...and one of the early Albatroses landing on a civil country road :thumbup:

 

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2013 by Suchacz

[Relent]

I think this would be a major game changer/enhancement in DCSW since you no longer would be attached to known fixed airports and in a multiplayer scenario the possibilities would endless. Just find a suitable long road/highway

 

....

 

I would like to know from the community's opinion and ED if this might be a popular and feasible implementation.

 

+1

[Kaktus29]

oh the road-airports)) i heard the requirement for building the highway system in usa was specified by the air force the have on every 50 miles at least 2 miles of totally straight road surface to be used as airstrip ..

 

i think all nations do this, it makes you think, were they building the highways for civilian purposes or military ones?)) i know it works for both, but still.

 

the same can be said for nuke energy, .. the reason why we use today's nuke plants is the side-effect of making nukes, usa sold the idea of nuke energy so they could have that excess capacity to make nukes, same with USSR.. even though its more dangerous method than what was it now.. Thorium nuke energy.. china is developing it now, usa have been developing in the 50's but abandoned it because they couldn't be used to make nukes..

 

but yeah, planes using highways as airstrips is useful, but the plane must be one rugged thing.. i can't see the F-35 or any of the high-tech planes doing this..very hard to maintain it with no hanger and extra special care that it requires ..and all that extra stuff can be noticed very quickly thus negating the air-strip -highway advantage of being not-seen by the enemy..

[zaelu]

I support the idea. We should be able to take off from small FARPS with movable ramps in ME. I was disappointed when landing near a FARP they refused to talk with me for some gas...

[speckfire]

I support the idea. We should be able to take off from small FARPS with movable ramps in ME. I was disappointed when landing near a FARP they refused to talk with me for some gas...

 

Exactly... Same thing happened to me too.

[Evil.Bonsai]

oh the road-airports)) i heard the requirement for building the highway system in usa was specified by the air force the have on every 50 miles at least 2 miles of totally straight road surface to be used as airstrip ..

 

i think all nations do this, it makes you think, were they building the highways for civilian purposes or military ones?)) i know it works for both, but still.

 

the same can be said for nuke energy, .. the reason why we use today's nuke plants is the side-effect of making nukes, usa sold the idea of nuke energy so they could have that excess capacity to make nukes, same with USSR.. even though its more dangerous method than what was it now.. Thorium nuke energy.. china is developing it now, usa have been developing in the 50's but abandoned it because they couldn't be used to make nukes..

 

but yeah, planes using highways as airstrips is useful, but the plane must be one rugged thing.. i can't see the F-35 or any of the high-tech planes doing this..very hard to maintain it with no hanger and extra special care that it requires ..and all that extra stuff can be noticed very quickly thus negating the air-strip -highway advantage of being not-seen by the enemy..

 

The Interstate Highway system in the US WAS built for military purposes. It was designed to facilitate troop movements in the event of an attack/invasion.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System

 

As for implementing in DCS, I'd think all you'd need to do is implement a code change that ANY aircraft parked near a FARP can be refueled/rearmed/repaired. Maybe extend the FARP influence area a bit so you can place it next to a road and it will work that way. Landing isn't too hard, but taking off my be a pain, as most roads aren't wide enough to turn around on and you'd like get stuck as soon as you get off-road. Might need a road long enough to land AND take-off from

Edited March 16, 2013 by Evil.Bonsai

[Supersheep]

These things work both ways. Here they did anyways.

 

 

It was designed to facilitate troop movements in the event of an attack/invasion.

 

 

Super-