TGP, why on the wing?

[Vlerkies]

Just curious, a discussion that comes up in comms while online trying to find stuff to blow up, and living masked :music_whistling:

 

A-10C carries the TGP on station 2 or 10, A-10A on station 3 or 9.

 

Why not in the middle (6) under the fuselage in RL?

[Eddie]

Because if it were on stn 6 you would loose 2 other stations. If stn 6 is loaded, stn 5 and 7 can't be used as the 3 are too close together.

[EtherealN]

Also, wouldn't mid-fuselage mounting increase the risk of masking the target with your own airframe when orbiting a target area while scanning? (Since A-10 is straight-winged, which most other combat jets this side of the F-80 are not.)

[Eddie]

It would indeed in some conditions, but at best you'd have exactly the same visibility as you do with the pod or 2 or 10.

[Vlerkies]

Yes just interesting as I could not figure it out, a rational reason that is, just really did not know. I knew if 6 was used 5/7 could not be.

 

Never considered the straight wing! I think that's probably it right there.

[Cedaway]

Why not Sta6?

- You wouldn't take the place of an eventual TK600.

- You augment greatly the risk to mask your target when circling over.

- (I don't think there is 'data cable' for AAQ-28 on other stations than 2-10)

- AAQ-28 is 'only' 200Kgs. It's good for the outer wing area, that might not endure too heavy load.

 

Note what's in the (DCS) Manual:

The pod can either be hung on station 2 or 10, and this is often a visible means to identify an A-10C compared to an A-10A in which the pod is hung on station 3 or 9.

 

Funny, isn't it? Was the airframe of the A10 strenghtend during conversion from A to C version?

[EtherealN]

I'd suspect it's a cabling difference between the models.

[Eddie]

Wiring looms moved, most likely because by moving the TGP to 2/10 you get a mav station back. Remember in the A model the TGP used the mav display and therefore the same wiring. Not an issue for the C model.

[Cookie]

So... why don´t they just use the pylon where the Pave Penny used to be? That would free up another station altogether, provide a good line of sight in all directions and be close to the centerline.

[Eddie]

Because that "pylon" is not designed to carry anything other than the pave penny, and wouldn't support nearly 500lbs of LITENING or SNIPER pod. You'd also have issues with gun gases getting into the pods cooling system and messing things up.

 

Not to mention still having to do all the re-wiring you have to do to put the pod on an existing station, so put simply you'd gain nothing at all.

 

Masking is not nearly the issue people think it is. At least not in the real world where aircraft are flown by trained and experienced pilots and not gamers/keyboard warriors, who always think they know better.

[Torment]

Ouch.

[joey45]

But if we put enough hours of training in........:)

 

 

... We wouldn't be anywhere close to the level of the real pilots ..:(

[schkorpio]

can you equip a tgp on both wings? :P I'm guessing even if you can it will only give you the video feed from one.

[sapounas]

can you equip a tgp on both wings? :P I'm guessing even if you can it will only give you the video feed from one.

 

I would give it a try and post back to you.

 

Small question: The number that changes (not the range the other one with the big M) what is it? a scale?

[Vlerkies]

Masking is not nearly the issue people think it is. At least not in the real world where aircraft are flown by trained and experienced pilots and not gamers/keyboard warriors, who always think they know better.

 

Thanks for your input, but you can stick that sarcastic line where the sun doesnt shine.

[Conure]

Because that "pylon" is not designed to carry anything other than the pave penny, and wouldn't support nearly 500lbs of LITENING or SNIPER pod. You'd also have issues with gun gases getting into the pods cooling system and messing things up.

 

Not to mention still having to do all the re-wiring you have to do to put the pod on an existing station, so put simply you'd gain nothing at all.

 

Masking is not nearly the issue people think it is. At least not in the real world where aircraft are flown by trained and experienced pilots and not gamers/keyboard warriors, who always think they know better.

 

Oh, wow - congrats on insulting the whole community!

[ScottishMartialArts]

I would give it a try and post back to you.

 

Small question: The number that changes (not the range the other one with the big M) what is it? a scale?

 

IIRC, it indicates distance, in meters, from the center of the crosshair to the tip of one of the crosshair lines. It's very useful for estimating ranges in JTAC talk-on (not that JTAC actually works these days :P) and for adjusting cluster bomb settings to ensure that all targets get hit.

[leafer]

Oh, wow - congrats on insulting the whole community!

 

I didn't see anyone in this thread getting all colonel, so what's with the slight?

[Snoopy]

Eddie didn't say anything but the truth. I've lost count how many times someone has argued with me when they have no real world experience but "feel" system XYZ should function a certain way yet I've used and or am reading the Tech Order explaining how something works.

 

The page penny pylon is being removed by some units. Also, the TGP is about 5 times larger than the pave penny. Much more cost effective to mount on a station off the wing instead of the structural changes you would need to mount there. Also the gun gas, the dome on the page penny after a mission the fun was fired in is so dirty I don't know how you could see anything.

 

Masking is something you have to take into account when planning your attack.

[mnrty]

If you fly with a wingman (as they allways do IRL i guess) and set up a proper circle, you and your wingie should cover eachothers mask. When your masked, hes not and so on.

[leafer]

Sure but no one in this thread challenged his superior knowledge. It doesn't make or break him, but just odd he'd type that without being provoked.

[mnrty]

Some people get provoked over nothing and everything, thats the way the world works!

 

Gladly im not one of them:D

[Justin Case]

I usually respect the knowledge and opinions of both Eddie and paulkriii here on the forum but I have to say this time no one was saying they "felt" that something should function a certain way.

 

That would free up another station altogether, provide a good line of sight in all directions and be close to the centerline.

 

Good points but Eddie a gave a good and probably correct reason for not putting the pod where the Pave Penny currently hangs.

And then went on to say something which could be interpreted as offensive to anyone who previously posted in this thread.

 

I understand your frustration guys but that was uncalled for...

[RIFLE_JTAC_TRAINING]

You cant get around the pod solution here. Masking is a fact of life.

 

Probably the best solution may be to incorporate a wescam MX-20 or 25 ball right in the middle of the aircraft where the centre line tank would be.

 

However to change pods is a different ball of wax and would take away the air to air capability using the mx ball.

 

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[BRooDJeRo]

I've rewritten A-10C's weaponloadout lua a long time ago to have some more loadouts to choose from in the comms menu, clean up the codeorder and insert unused pylons again. I found that alot of times the TGP view was more blocked by other weapons and elements from the aircraft itself. It doesn't look too bad, however looses function.

 

The ECM in the middle looks oddly rediculous. When you like your looks as well as functionality, you're best off where stuff is now.

 

 

PS. For the guy/girl that wrote the lua-file responsible for placement: he has a problem with order and counting, you're lucky the file works as it is or has been done on purpose to make modifying more difficult for dislects.

Edited February 19, 2013 by BRooDJeRo