So SimCity. Who's getting it

[Highwayman-Ed]

I'm on the pre-order list for an email code to download as soon as it's out :)

[cichlidfan]

I'm also torn. I really-really want a new Sim City, but I'll make sure to get some reviews under my belt before I plop down money on it. Nothing hurts so bad as when a franchise is reawakened but in a bad way... (See that new Aliens game, for example.)

 

You would only have a week to play, anyway, before the next Starcraft comes out! ;)

[agrasyuk]

i'm really hoping that on release product several regions will be playable offering more and bigger city plots and those plots being closer together.

[Ali Fish]

my fear is that these methods of implementation in games spreads.

 

for example what would dcs be like with always on internet. and to cope with anti piracy what methods could be invoked to create a constant connection with a server meaning up/down loads of information are required. what would it be like? for single player. and for multiplayer ? and then consider would you buy it ? would it be as much fun even ?

 

i perish to think of the consequences of these things becoming widespread.

 

whilst one says there is nothing one can do about it, what does buying it do to it exactly ?

 

console gaming is so generic these days why ? because console users all bought into it thinking it was great stuff. i have a console and some of it is ok. but all of it is poor at thhe end of the day. ive learned a lesson and expensive one.

Edited March 3, 2013 by Ali Fish

[EtherealN]

for example what would dcs be like with always on internet. and to cope with anti piracy what methods could be invoked to create a constant connection with a server meaning up/down loads of information are required. what would it be like? for single player. and for multiplayer ? and then consider would you buy it ? would it be as much fun even ?

 

There are however good ways to do always-up. In games like Diablo and Starcraft I have no problem with it, because it is integrated very well in the product.

 

When it's done in games like Silent Hunter and Settlers however... not so good.

 

console gaming is so generic these days why ? because console users all bought into it thinking it was great stuff. i have a console and some of it is ok. but all of it is poor at thhe end of the day. ive learned a lesson and expensive one.

 

Remember that consoles in general appeal to a much more generic market. The majority of customers on the console market are people that 10 years ago wouldn't be buying computer games of any form at all. The "consolitis" is basically "gaming gone mainstream", nothing necessarily sinister.

 

Have to remember that if they are able to appeal to a potential market of tens to hundreds of millions - why would they limit themselves to a potential market of "only" several hundred thousand? It all makes perfect sense, and no-one is getting suckered really. We oldschool "gamers" are simply not the majority of "our" market anymore.

[cichlidfan]

We oldschool "gamers" are simply not the majority of "our" market anymore.

 

QFT :thumbup:

[Call911]

bought it like a day b4 Arma3 Alpha revealed so might not get to play it for awhile 8)-

[Ali Fish]

We oldschool "gamers" are simply not the majority of "our" market anymore.

 

dont i know it !.......... FORGET consoles a second

 

What is the average age of a PC gamer, who would buy such a title on the PC ? (actually whats the average age of a console user too?)

 

Who are the people with the money, (platform costs inclusive) what age range ?

 

Is there really no market for a real evolution of simcity ? one thats not got frustrating nonsense built in by design..

 

we`re in a world of nonsense i am afraid and no amount of appeasing the situation will work anymore for me lol. At the end of the day i know im doing my best, putting my best foot forward. Buying into it and thus legitimising it certainly wont help. If cities-xl would perform well (and stop trying to get me to pay more for nothing) well i wouldn`t care at all to be honest.

Edited March 3, 2013 by Ali Fish

[Succellus]

Online only for Sim city, LOL.

What really pains me is the fact shitheads that take decisions like that a very well payd.

 

This is the kind of decision that **** up the game market.

[andysim]

will be avoiding. No excuse for the kind of DRM they are putting in. They dont seem to understand that within 20 mins of the game being release there will be a cracked copy that does not require "always online" connections.

 

And since I plan on never using a cracked game, I will never play this game.

 

The only people that get punished is the genuine paying customer.

[Ali Fish]

will be avoiding. No excuse for the kind of DRM they are putting in. They dont seem to understand that within 20 mins of the game being release there will be a cracked copy that does not require "always online" connections.

 

And since I plan on never using a cracked game, I will never play this game.

 

The only people that get punished is the genuine paying customer.

 

hehehe, and towns that load from your own hard drive probally. not some central EA server begging to be corrupted. its hilarious and they try there hardest to make you want to buy it by apparently having no choice.. incredible at the end of the day isnt it ? its all harking back to my original question, "What does buying it do to the situation ?" it legitimises the whole thing wether you care or not, and this is why no really thoughtfull person should be buying or doing otherwise with it imho.

 

this video is spot on.

 

if you buy this you have effectivly rented it.

Edited March 4, 2013 by Ali Fish

[SilentEagle]

EA will not get money from me. Origin/BF3 was enough.

 

Exactly. EA doesn't get another dime from me until they ditch that pathetic security hole-ridden origin software and support.

[Python]

EA will not get money from me. Origin/BF3 was enough.

 

Same for me. I have played none of the sim city games but I was thinking of getting this to try them out until I read about the security aspects. I won't bother. In fact I think I'll install Rollercoaster tycoon 3 onto my new rig and have my fun with that. Never gets old.

[Ali Fish]

well here is Tb`s take on it recent comment and confirmation of size extensions DLC based.

[cichlidfan]

 

if you buy this you have effectivly rented it.

 

Most software only provides you the right to use it, not to own it.

[VincentLaw]

Correct: When you buy a typical game, you own the physical disk it comes on, and you own a license to use the software, but you do not own the software. To own software is to have free reign over the manipulation and distribution of the source code.

 

The problem with services like Origin and Steam, is that until recently, the license that you bought was effectively indefinite, because there was no real way of enforcing all the terms of the license. Now there is.

 

Now if you pay $60 for a license of Game X, and you decide it would be more fun to use mods in single player, but mods are against the terms of service, then they can revoke your license (This has really happened). Maybe Game Studio X decides to release a sequel: Game X 2... They can revoke your license because they want you to stop playing the old game and buy the new game.

 

The "always online" part really doesn't make any difference, because Valve already has the power to take away your Portal 1 if they want to, when they want to... They just don't.

Edited March 4, 2013 by VincentLaw

[EtherealN]

What is the average age of a PC gamer, who would buy such a title on the PC ? (actually whats the average age of a console user too?)

 

Who are the people with the money, (platform costs inclusive) what age range ?

 

The people with the money are the people with the jobs. Like our generation - the "old gamers".

However, most of us are now way busy with things like work, raising families etcetera. I certainly know most of the people I used to play games with barely do so anymore - they just don't have the time.

 

HOWEVER: their kids have the time, so they end up buying games for their kids. And nowadays it's not just us nerds playing games. Everyone does. Even my horse-crazy sister makes sure to have a gaming console, and my highschool age sister goes on LAN parties. (I am shocked to be informed that it is now acceptable even for the "hip" people in school to attend LAN parties! O.o)

 

Is there really no market for a real evolution of simcity ? one thats not got frustrating nonsense built in by design..

 

Of course there is. But you're missing something here:

 

A)

Invest $20 000 000 dollars.

Sell licenses for $100 000 000 dollars.

 

B)

Invest $20 000 000 dollars.

Sell licenses for $20 000 000 dollars.

 

Why aim for the smaller market?

That's not nonsense. That's fundamental business sense. You're talking about the same reasons why Eagle Dynamics is alone as a commercial enterprise in the serious combat flight simulation market, and even that has relied at least in part on synergies with the military market.

 

As for whether I'll get this particular game? I dunno... Will have t osee more reviews first. The Gods know I certainly am not at a lack for games to play - I still have games purchased years ago during Steam sales that I haven't had time to play yet. :P

[cichlidfan]

The Gods know I certainly am not at a lack for games to play - I still have games purchased years ago during Steam sales that I haven't had time to play yet. :P

 

Glad to know I'm not the only one! :D

[pacotito]

Lol...its 75% off and I'm sure I'll play it eventually. As for sim city I played the first beta and it didn't really do much for me. Unless the reviews are great I'll pass on this one.

Edited March 5, 2013 by pacotito

[agrasyuk]

4 more hours till the 5th over here :), i feel this night will be short

[EtherealN]

Well, it's the 5th already here and it's still not available over here. (At least, Origin still states "pre-order".)

 

Watching TB's WTF on the game for now, I tend to agree a lot with that man so this will probably weigh into my decision.

 

 

EDIT: Oh... lol... It's not until the 7th over here. Ah well, more time to decide. :)

Edited March 5, 2013 by EtherealN

[71st_Mastiff]

Always online drm, no thanks

 

so if that then, what kind of cellphone you have?

 

:thumbup:

[cichlidfan]

so if that then, what kind of cellphone you have?

 

:thumbup:

 

:lol:

[agrasyuk]

Downloading . or rather processing "large file" :)

[cichlidfan]

Downloading . or rather processing "large file" :)

 

From Origin?