Startup

[LexiconG2]

Yes, I gave in because the p-51 went on sale. I cant start it I follow youtube vids etc wont start. Where is the training mission? I learned the a-10C which took a year to master. I am 100% sure I am following the start procs. I wont start.

[LexiconG2]

Yes, I gave in because the p-51 went on sale. I cant start it I follow youtube vids etc wont start. Where is the training mission? I learned the a-10C which took a year to master. I am 100% sure I am following the start procs. I wont start.

 

 

So out of frustration I just consider me buying P-51 a donation because I cant get this thing to work. So I can drop bombs on it with the A-10C about all it's good for at this point.

[sobek]

Post a track please, people on this forum are not clairvoyant. I'm sure we can work this out.

[Robo.]

So out of frustration I just consider me buying P-51 a donation because I cant get this thing to work. So I can drop bombs on it with the A-10C about all it's good for at this point.

 

Hi mate! There is a proper training including P-51 cockpit familiarisation and startup procedure with the instructor's voice explaining everything, you just follow the process and click the items he indicates.

 

If you still struggle:

 

Make your way from left to the right

 

Flaps up

Carb Hot air lever to the front Ctrl+H

Rudder trim +5 degrees (twist the trim to the right)

Prop pitch fuly forwards

Throttle 1-2 inches open

Fuel booster on (Delete)

Magnetos on Both (Press End repeatedly)

Parking brake (pull the lever towards you and hold it, then press brakes fully (W), release the brakes, release the lever)

Fuel cock on (Shift + Ctrl + T)

Fuel tank is already at Left Wing Tank

Battery and Generator (B, V)

Primer (Insert) for about 4-5 seconds

Starter (Home) click once (cover up), then hold for about 2-4 seconds, engine will start

Mixture to RUN (M)

[Tango]

It seems when it actually starts is randomized, and not affected by the pilot as far as I can tell.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[Robo.]

It seems when it actually starts is randomized, and not affected by the pilot as far as I can tell.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

 

Tango, this is certainly a wrong assumption, the RL Mustang was not easy to start from cold and several attempts were often required. (It will be even more fun when we get the P-47 by any chance with the crazy inertia starter :megalol:). I found that when you prime the engine enough you will have a great chance starting it OK anytime. Perhaps that will help.

[EvilBivol-1]

It seems when it actually starts is randomized, and not affected by the pilot as far as I can tell.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

Tango, seeing as you just got the P-51, I think you might be jumping to conclusions a little, probably out of initial frustration. I will let Yo-Yo comment, if he has time, but as far as I know there is nothing, at least nothing significant that is randomized in the starting process.

[Tango]

I'll try that.

 

I only tried starting with OAT ~ +21 °C and holding the primer for 3 sec.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[159th_Viper]

Have a look here: 5 tracks, all with successful starts in 30 seconds, bar 2 which necessitated a second crank (see last track for intentional second crank - start in 1 minute):

 

Mustang start #1.trk

 

Mustang start #2.trk

 

Mustang start #3.trk

 

Mustang start #4.trk

 

Mustang start #5.trk

 

Definitely nothing amiss. Tracks just recorded - took me 5 minutes for all of them.

 

And yes, primer held for 5 seconds.

[dahui]

when you hit the starter, carefully listen for the first "explosion" after that, Put the Mixer on immediately! It works in 9 of 10 attempts in my case...

 

greetings from Switzerland.

[AndyJWest]

One thing that is confusing me is when exactly you are supposed to prime the engine. The manual says on page 73 "The engine should be primed only when it is turning over.", but on page 124 it says "Start-Up. After completing the Pre-start check, proceed with engine start-up as follows: Prime the engine three to four seconds if it is cold, one if hot. Raise the starter switch cover and hold switch at START." Am I supposed to prime before pressing start, or while I'm holding it down? The latter seemed to work, anyway.

[Foul Ole Ron]

Engine start-up procedure from original (I think) - would seem to suggest that primer is done first. I use primer first in the game as well and works fine.

 

• Have prop pulled through, with ignition switch OFF, if plane has been idle more than 2 hours.
   
  
• Generator and battery switch ON, unless battery cart is being used, then battery switch OFF.
   
  
• Open throttle 1 inch.
   
  
• Mixture control in IDLE CUT-OFF.
   
  
• Propeller control in INCREASED RPM.
   
  
• Supercharger switch in AUTOMATIC.
   
  
• Carburetor air control in RAM AIR.
   
  
• Turn ignition switch to BOTH.
   
  
• Fuel shut-off valve ON and fuel selector valve to fuselage tank (if full), or Left Main tank if fuselage tank not used.
   
  
• Fuel booster pump on NORMAL, check for 8-12 pounds of fuel pressure.
   
  
• Prime engine 3 to 4 shots if cold, 1 to 2 if warm.
   
  
• Clear the prop.
   
  
• Lift guard on starter switch and press switch to START. Caution in use of starter not to overheat.
   
  
• As engine starts, move mixture control to AUTO RICH. If engine does not fire after several turns, continue priming. WARNING: When engine is not firing, mixture control should be in IDLE CUT-OFF.
   
  
• Warm engine at approximately 1300 RPM. Check for constant oil pressure. If no oil pressure or low pressure after 30 seconds, SHUT DOWN engine.
   
  
• Check all instruments for proper readings.
   
  
• Check hydraulic system by lowering and raising flaps; loading 800-850 pounds and unloading at 1050-1100 pounds.
   
  
• Check communication equipment for operation.
   
  
• Uncage all gyro instruments.
   
  
• Check both LEFT and RIGHT MAIN and FUSELAGE fuel systems by rotating fuel selector valve with booster pump switch in EMERGENCY. Check for 14-19 psi. If drop tanks are installed, check fuel flow by rotating fuel selector control.
  

[Shahdoh]

In the sim, you can prime the engine before you crank it over. IMHO this is to facilitate the clickable pit where you can only interact with 1 function at a time. Though in real life, they only prime when the engine is turning over. I have setup my hotas to allow me to switch the magnetos and prime then engine while I use the mouse to crank over the engine. RL procedures have them turn over the engine "6 blades" to lubricate the cylinders, then set the magnetos and prime while the engine is cranking. This procedure gives me an approximate 95% success rate at starting the engine the 1st time, MUCH easier then the real thing it appears.

 

Hope this helps

[msalama]

RL procedures have them turn over the engine "6 blades" to lubricate the cylinders, then set the magnetos and prime while the engine is cranking.

 

From the P-51D Mustang Pilot Training manual, p. 30: "1. Prime the engine three to four seconds if it is is cold, one if hot. 2. Raise the starter switch cover and hold the switch at START. 3. As the engine starts, move the mixture control to RUN (AUTO RICH on some earlier airplanes)." So looks to me that they actually primed the engine before cranking it ;)

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34811808/North-American-P-51-Mustang-Pilot-Training-Manual

[KaspeR32]

So out of frustration I just consider me buying P-51 a donation because I cant get this thing to work. So I can drop bombs on it with the A-10C about all it's good for at this point.

 

I figured people that played DCS titles would have a little more patience. I also just bought P-51D since it was on-sale.

 

First thing I did was run the training mission for Start-up. Started up the first time.

 

Instead of assuming you did everything correctly, (which you didn't) try taking a break for a while, read the manual, and then play the training mission again.

[Shahdoh]

Well your right, my procedures were not right out of the manual, but it was per a real life P-51 pilot from this report:

 

http://www.warbirdalley.com/articles/p51pr.htm

 

More then one way to skin the cat.....

[pii]

Hi mate! There is a proper training including P-51 cockpit familiarisation and startup procedure with the instructor's voice explaining everything, you just follow the process and click the items he indicates.

 

If you still struggle:

 

Make your way from left to the right

 

Flaps up

Carb Hot air lever to the front Ctrl+H

Rudder trim +5 degrees (twist the trim to the right)

Prop pitch fuly forwards

Throttle 1-2 inches open

Fuel booster on (Delete)

Magnetos on Both (Press End repeatedly)

Parking brake (pull the lever towards you and hold it, then press brakes fully (W), release the brakes, release the lever)

Fuel cock on (Shift + Ctrl + T)

Fuel tank is already at Left Wing Tank

Battery and Generator (B, V)

Primer (Insert) for about 4-5 seconds

Starter (Home) click once (cover up), then hold for about 2-4 seconds, engine will start

Mixture to RUN (M)

 

or

 

Right Win+Home:thumbup:

You can learn the fancy pants way later. :joystick: You may want to read up on Take offs..they can be a little tricky the first time. You could also start missions in the air and skip all that start up and take off stuff so saying its useless is a little mind boggling.

Edited March 23, 2013 by pii

[Yo-Yo]

Well your right, my procedures were not right out of the manual, but it was per a real life P-51 pilot from this report:

 

http://www.warbirdalley.com/articles/p51pr.htm

 

More then one way to skin the cat.....

 

Absolutely right. If you know exactly what the certain operation is for, you can change the sequence having the same result. The engine needs a) flammable mixture b) ignition c) initial rotation at least in one cylinder to start and these conditions must present further to give enough time to switch mixture selector to RUN.

 

You can prime before cranking the shaft - in this case engine starts even if you have not switched magnetos on, because of boosting coil battery ignition system that is in parralel with the starter.

DCS engine truly models as many factors of the start as it's necessary to have live behaviour.

 

The only thing we could not managed to implement was overpriming burning because the necessary visual effect was not made in time. :) But inside the model we have all necessary for it.