DEST12 Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 Can you fly The Black Shark without rudder pedals? i have owned this sim for some time now and i own some fairly decent gear(TMS Hotas Warthog & Track IR) but i think pedals are very expensive(im from denmark pedals cost about 320USD for the cheapest). i am experiencing this lack of control when flying KA-50 im right now using fixed key rudder.
seikdel Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 Not very well. Yes, it's doable, but pedals are even more important for rotary aircraft than for fixed wing. I'd strongly recommend saving up for a pair.
Humbug Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 A controlled turn in a helicopter is achieved mainly by using rudder input, and not just by banking like in an airplane. I suppose it's possible to fly it without using the rudder, but it's far from optimal.
Tizid Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 Buy yourself some cheap car pedals. I use my Fanatec CSP for any flightsim as rudder pedals. Edit: Oh, and to answer your question: No, I can not. Please excuse my bad english.
bengo Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 http://www.simw.com/pro-flight-combat-rudder-pedals.html They do send to Denmark and don't nearly cost 320usd. i7 6700k/GTX1070-8G/MSI-Z170A Gaming Pro Carbon/32GB DDR4 Kingston HyperX PREDATOR DDR4 3000MHZ Vengeance 1600/TM Warthog #6106/Samsung SB350_S27B350H/OCZ Agility3 SSD 128GB / Win10-64/TIR5
Hubris Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 I wouldn't recommend it. I tried to at first but it was a disaster. See if you can buy a used pair.
Suchacz Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) ...or go the cheapest way and try tu use throttle/brake pedals from some steering wheel, even some old one. I did that earlier, before buying G940. Edit: ^^^Snipped :D Edited April 19, 2013 by Suchacz Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
Puddlemonkey Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 have you got a joystick with a twist grip for the rudder? I found this to work surprisingly well. Pedals are best though. Check out the CH pedals. They are pretty robust. Just Google CH pedals and they will come up under shopping.
Exorcet Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 I don't have rudder pedals, but I have the X52 Pro with twist rudder. It works alright. I'm just learning, no previous helicopter experience except about 30 minutes in FSX, but a few days let me go from crash landing to being able able to destroy stationary targets. I plan on getting pedals at some point though, no just for the Ka-50, but for everything. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
Oznerol256 Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 I need rudder to control the KA-50. However, i dont have rudder pedals. Im the T.Flight Hotas X which includes a twist handle joystick as well as a rudder lever on the throttle. Usually, im not using the twist function because the lever much more precise. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
CyBerkut Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 Can you fly The Black Shark without rudder pedals? i have owned this sim for some time now and i own some fairly decent gear(TMS Hotas Warthog & Track IR) but i think pedals are very expensive(im from denmark pedals cost about 320USD for the cheapest). i am experiencing this lack of control when flying KA-50 im right now using fixed key rudder. If you can't find any affordable rudder pedals... consider buying a Thrustmaster T16000M, and hacking it to make your own rudder pedal assembly. You'd be able to read your pedals in T.A.R.G.E.T., and you could even put those extra buttons to use. Maybe make yourself a button box or panel. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There's no place like 127.0.0.1
Devrim Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 I asked this question to myself long time ago. Answer is: No, you can't fly without rudder pedals, but you can, with any rudder input (by twisting your stick). :D I've flied with my X52Pro long time. And last, in the name of "chasing realism", I've purchased Saitek rudder pedals. I must tell that, if you buy (or create) a rudder pedal, you'll learn or re-program your all coordination reflexes 'again'. :) But don't worry, it doesn't take much time... Intel i7-14700@5.6GHz | MSI RTX4080 SuperSuprimX | Corsair V. 64GB@6400MHz. | Samsung 1TB 990 PRO SSD (Win10Homex64) Samsung G5 32" + Samsung 18" + 2x8"TFT Displays | TM Warthog Stick w/AVA Base | VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle | TM MFD Cougars | Logitech G13, G230, G510, PZ55 & Farming Sim Panel | TIR5 & M.Quest3 VR >>MY MODS<< | Discord: Devrim#1068
Puddlemonkey Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 be careful not to twist your stick too hard though :cry: 1
Yurgon Posted April 19, 2013 Posted April 19, 2013 [...] but i think pedals are very expensive(im from denmark pedals cost about 320USD for the cheapest). That sounds extraordinarily expensive. For that rate, you could probably make a trip to Flensburg, get a pair of pedals, drink a good or two and still save a couple bucks. :) Check out some of these shops. Depending on shipping and exchange rate, you may be better off ordering from somewhere outside of Denmark, although I'm sure you'll be able to find a bargain there if you keep your eyes open. http://www.alternate.co.uk/html/product/Mad_Catz/PRO_Flight_Combat_Rudder_Pedals_/814194/? http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1/181-7972935-8584169?field-keywords=saitek%20combat%20rudder%20pedals http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1/275-5760215-9618460?field-keywords=saitek%20combat%20rudder%20pedals (For some reason, Saitek is known as "Mad Catz" in some countries. I've linked the Combat Flight Rudder Pedals as they usually receive positive feedback from users, but there are of course alternatives both from Saitek and other manufacturers).
Rogue Trooper Posted April 20, 2013 Posted April 20, 2013 All choppers, but especially the KA-50 needs proper rudder pedals. HP G2 Reverb (Needs upgrading), Windows 10 VR settings: IPD is 64.5mm, High image quality, G2 reset to 60Hz refresh rate. set to OpenXR, but Open XR tool kit disabled. DCS: Pixel Density 1.0, Forced IPD at 55 (perceived world size), DLSS setting is quality at 1.0. VR Driver system: I9-9900KS 5Ghz CPU. XI Hero motherboard and RTX 3090 graphics card, 64 gigs Ram, No OC... Everything needs upgrading in this system!. Vaicom user and what a superb freebie it is! Virpil Mongoose T50M3 base & Mongoose CM2 Grip (not set for dead stick), Virpil TCS collective with counterbalance kit (woof woof). Virpil Apache Grip (OMG). MFG pedals with damper upgrade. Total controls Apache MPDs set to virtual Reality height. Simshaker Jet Pro vibration seat.. Uses data from DCS not sound... goodbye VRS.
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