Ice Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Some of you may have noticed the 169th Dedicated has been running an AWACS Attack/Defend Mission for the last few weeks with, heaven forbid Externals on. As far as popularity goes it seems to do quite well. Anyway I thought I might run a Poll and see what sort of a result we get.
Rastus Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Hi. It will be interesting to see what comments come out of this. I had to vote for "Either way". With the AWACS, presents a different challenge to the pilot as your enemy does know where you are. Its up to you adjust your tactics accordingly. The "Lone Shark" pilot would have a harder time, while the team players would just have to adjust their tactics a bit. In my opinion, with AWACS's is harder than without. Without AWACS allows taking out multiple bandits from above or below without them having any idea where that missile came from. Yes, that is fun and looks great on the scoreboard, but probably doesnt require as much skill. Sneaky tactics work better without the AWAC. So to me, its either way, I can enjoy both, & find teamwork will give you the advantage with or without the AWAC in the mission. My 2c. Cheers
3Sqn_Fudd Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Yeh I voted for both ways... In any modern theater, second and first rate airforces are going to have AWACS. It's been a good change up. http://3sqn.com/forum/ Here's to 1.13 -- > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0488djMDBU
Guest Cali Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Yeh I voted for both ways... In any modern theater, second and first rate airforces you are going to have AWACS. It's been a good change up. Same here, i dont care either way is fine with me. There are pros & cons with both ways
Ross-impress Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 I like it both ways ;) Grtz......Ross..... Configuration: Windows 11 Home/ Intel Core i9-12900F/ RTX 3080 10 GB/ 64GB DDR4-3200/ 2 TB m.2 NVMe/ HP Reverb G2/V2/ Thrustmaster Cougar Hotas/ INSTAGRAM ACCOUNT: @ross_impress • Instagram-foto's en -video's (everything about the real flying world, drone and DCS)
169th_Rabbit Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 I had to go both ways on this one. I can't say it's a total noob thing as I find it much harder than without. My score has reflected this also.
51GRIZZLY Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Awacs is cool and mostly usefull but i don´t like externals "ON"
Ice Posted January 13, 2006 Author Posted January 13, 2006 If newer players want to use F2 or F6 and think it helps then its up to them. Best of luck to you. We have found however the benifits outweigh the problems. With F5 view and padlock disabled F2 really doesnt give you a whole lot of extra info when there are AWACS. Especially in the heat of the battle. The benifits are however: We can enjoy watching our friends take out targets. We can police loadouts. We can tell when mission objectives have been completed
51GRIZZLY Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Originally posted by ICE: We have found however the benifits outweigh the problems. With F5 view and padlock disabled F2 really doesnt give you a whole lot of extra info Well to be honest ( we have to be, don´t we? ;) ) If you have been flying the Kerch Strait, Maykop, Gaudata triangle as much as i have you really don´t have a hard time to find out where your enemies are by F2 veiw. Its allmost like Awacs to me.
Pilotasso Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 I cant give any of the answers above. I dont think they are within the type of answer I would give. I think AWACS are realistic to use, but unfortunatly There is no full implementation in the F-15 wich kinda hampers its Situational awareness compared to the russian birds. .
diveplane Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 If newer players want to use F2 or F6 and think it helps then its up to them. Best of luck to you. We have found however the benifits outweigh the problems. With F5 view and padlock disabled F2 really doesnt give you a whole lot of extra info when there are AWACS. Especially in the heat of the battle. The benifits are however: We can enjoy watching our friends take out targets. We can police loadouts. We can tell when mission objectives have been completed i enjoy this server very much love to sit in and watch sometimes ,f2 no problem to me https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
Prophet_169th Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 We can police loadouts This by far is a great thing. Though I havent noticed anyone using a LOPE'd loadout in a very long time. There was once recently I saw someone with a "pod" thing on an F-15. It look like a missle almost, but had no fins or anything. I kept asking him what it was, but he never answered. May have to look through the encyclopedia. I voted for both also. With the new AWACs in 1.11 only having LOS, its awsome, and actually has proved much harder as some have noted. There is a thrill to not having AWACs, but I am actually enjoying it more with them. There are still people who have managed to fly under the AWACs coverage, and gotten pretty close to the Blue base. More flats before the Red base, so its harder, you just have to approach from the right direction.
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 I voted AWACS is cool. The reason for such a vote is a fact that Su-27 was designed from ground up to operate with AWACS or GCI. Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
Nomad Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 awacs is ok, externals are not. [brag]European dogfight champion 2006[/brag]
GGTharos Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 AWACS is not implemented correctly - so giving AWACS even to both sides actually doesn't work well at all, since one side gets a datalink, the other doesn't even get a picture call, depending on the aircraft used. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
D-Scythe Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Lock On is a simulation of real life. Fighter pilots use AWACs in real life. Thus, the question "is AWACs for noobs?" is already unrealistic in and of itself. That being said, the Russian fighters do seem to have a d/link where the F-15 does not.
GGTharos Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Actually it's a very realistic question for something that isn't real life, especially given the level of implementation ;) Although I'm sure it can be worded more accurately. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
VapoR Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 This issue is why we are currently building a test mission for the 504 server where we will have Russia vs. Ukraine/Georgia. There will be the same exact plane set on both sides. There will be EWR on both sides, and all the air defenses will match. This is the most balanced that you can get Lomac in it's current state and we want to test the reaction in HL. I'm sure we will get some complaints from the A-10 and F-15 guys since they will be getting left out, but I have high hopes that most will like it.
Mustang Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 AWACS is not implemented correctly - so giving AWACS even to both sides actually doesn't work well at all, since one side gets a datalink, the other doesn't even get a picture call, depending on the aircraft used. a good way around this is to have 27's operating alongside the 15's, and giving datalink info to them via Teamspeak :)
GGTharos Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 I agree that it is a workaround Mustang, but I don't agree that it'sa 'good' one ... acceptable maybe, but it's still a work-around ... I don't know if you get my drift but anyway, not important ... I'm just voicing my opinion since it was solicited, if I end up on a server with AWACS I'll just live with it ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Pilotasso Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 We need JTIDS along with data link. THAT would work. ;) .
TucksonSonny Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 How about: active radar missiles are for noobs. Anyway I’ve got the impression that F-15 pilots perform like noobs facing AWACS support. Thus for balance reasons without AWACS is OK for me. DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
Pilotasso Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 I know some people who would make you eat your hat... ;) better be carefull with generalizations .
TucksonSonny Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 I know some people who would make you eat your hat... ;) better be carefull with generalizations I expect GGTharos will come in very soon:icon_weed BTW it is generalization of my opinion;) DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
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