wasserfall Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 Does the KA50 have a ejection seat (k36) because a saw a screenshot where you can see the ejection handles Could it be when the pilot ejects the rotor blades will blast off? Intel Core i5-9600K, Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO, 16GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 WINDFORCE 8G
ALDEGA Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 AFAIK the Ka-50 has an ejection seat system and it would require the rotor blades to be blasted away before seat ejection.
wasserfall Posted January 16, 2006 Author Posted January 16, 2006 It would be nice to see how they model this in BS, just have to wait for screenshots Intel Core i5-9600K, Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO, 16GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro, Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 WINDFORCE 8G
ED Team Groove Posted January 16, 2006 ED Team Posted January 16, 2006 ka-50 have the k36 0-0 ejection seat implemented afaik. as the only helo as i remember. first the blades are blown away with a pyrocharge and then the pilot is shot out of the helo. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Hawkeye Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 UUH ! I don't wanna eject from this Choppers when the Rotorblades didn't blown away =) Yes the only Choppers at the moment with a Ejection Seat is the Ka-50 and the Ka-52 (Doubleseater Version of the Black Shark) And yes i rellay would welcome the eject feature on the BS ;)
Jester_159th Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 Wonder if failure of the charges on the rotor blades will be modelled?? (j/k)
britgliderpilot Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 There's some things that you can predict as constants on any Lock On board. One is JJ-Alfa appearing at the merest mention of a MiG29K, another is me appearing at the sniff of dual-control aircraft, and the less-known one is Force_Feedback appearing, as if a silhouette of a K-36D was being projected onto the clouds of Gotham City, whenever anything even faintly related to ejection seats is mentioned . . . . . . ;) I give it about another twenty minutes, tops. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Shaman Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 ka-50 have the k36 0-0 ejection seat implemented afaik. as the only helo as i remember. first the blades are blown away with a pyrocharge and then the pilot is shot out of the helo. My 2 cents - The pilot is being lifted from the helo in his seat by a rocket that takeoffs behind the pilot's seat. The rocket then pulls the seat because it is connected with it by some steellike rope :) I heard in formation flight ejecting is causing great hazard to nearby helicopters because of the kinetic energy of blown off blades flying in all directions. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Force_Feedback Posted January 17, 2006 Posted January 17, 2006 Yes, the post above has the right ejection seat mentioned, the official designation of the system is not K-36, but "Zvezda K-37-800 rocket extraction seat". You can hardly can call it an ejection seat, because it lacks any kind of catapult (the thing that pushes the seat out before the rocket engine ignites, also known as a ROCAT). On the Ka-50, first each bolts (2 of them per blade) near the rotor hub are detonated, removing the risk of any serious harm caused by thin chunks of plastic travelling at 600 km/h, also known as rotors. Then the upper glazing goes, along with the upper hatch, when that is out of the way, the rocket (that white thing on the backside of the seat, behind the headrest) is ignited in low power mode. The rocket itself has deflected nozzles, to ensure stability by spinning around. After the extraction cord has reached full length, the rocket motor fires in full power mode, pulling out the parachute and pilot by the shoulder straps. The direction of travel of the rocket is slightly forward to compensate for high speed and zero-zero ejections. The whole sequence takes approximately 1.5 seconds, which is significantly more than that of "modern" ejection seats, which is about 0.6 seconds. The system allows for ejection in the full envelope, and at 50m when inverted. The body of the Ka-50 ensures survival for the pilot if the vertical crash speed does not exceed 12.5 m/s, or something in that vicinity, I'm not sure about that speed, it might be higher. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
ARM505 Posted January 18, 2006 Posted January 18, 2006 the less-known one is Force_Feedback appearing, as if a silhouette of a K-36D was being projected onto the clouds of Gotham City, whenever anything even faintly related to ejection seats is mentioned Well, it looks like it was more than twenty minutes, but hey, you called it! :)
mvsgas Posted April 16, 2009 Posted April 16, 2009 What are the K-37-800 ejection parameters (in the game)? What I mean is what is the minimum altitude for save ejection? Maximum speed? etc. We have all been there at one time by now, pulling the ejection handle to see your pilot follow the KA-50 wreckage all the way to the ground. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
joey45 Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 0-0 means 0 - altitude 0 - speed The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
fox_111 Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 When I eject while turning close to the ground, my virtual representation always crash to the ground. I find that in most circonstances, ejecting and surviving is a 50/50 chances.
mvsgas Posted April 17, 2009 Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) joey45, I do not think this seat is 0Alt 0 speed and if it is I still would like to know the parameters because is hard to get a successful ejection in DCS BS. Most of the time I do not have 0 speed nor 0 alt :D more like 120 KPH of speed ( to include a decent rate of maybe 500 to 900 m/s as I go down in flames) and 50m of altitude. What is the maximum negative vertical velocity that I can eject safely and make it out? What is the minimum altitude? :book: Edited April 17, 2009 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Skydoc Posted April 18, 2009 Posted April 18, 2009 part of the ejection envelope would also include you bank angle and pitch...there is prolly a good graph of this somewhere. . Skydoc, out! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "...es gibt viel zu tun, paken Wir's an!" ------------ HAF 932, core I7 920 @ 2.67ghz, HD 4870 X2 2GB, 6GB RAM on a ASUS P6T Deluxe with some big@ss hard drive and onboard sound, TIR4, TM suite and Cyborg Keyboard/Cybersnipa Keypad
RECOIL Posted April 18, 2009 Posted April 18, 2009 well that graph might come in handy for me, ive been ejecting kinda badly here lately, pilot sets a record speed for body slamming the ground.. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Wait a second, whats with the flashing red lights... ...oh no, that can't be good.
Mugenjin Posted April 18, 2009 Posted April 18, 2009 joey45, I do not think this seat is 0Alt 0 speed and if it is I still would like to know the parameters because is hard to get a successful ejection in DCS BS. Most of the time I do not have 0 speed nor 0 alt :D more like 120 KPH of speed ( to include a decent rate of maybe 500 to 900 m/s as I go down in flames) and 50m of altitude. What is the maximum negative vertical velocity that I can eject safely and make it out? What is the minimum altitude? :book: A descent rate of 500 to 900 m/s is like mach 1.5 to mach 2.7. Probably mixed up some figures? :P I suppose maximum negative vertical velocity and minimum altitude go hand in hand; anyway you won't get a definite answer without knowing the specs of the ejection seat, i.e. acceleration, burn time of the rocket motor or rather how they're modeled in Black Shark.
mvsgas Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 A descent rate of 500 to 900 m/s is like mach 1.5 to mach 2.7. Probably mixed up some figures? :P I suppose maximum negative vertical velocity and minimum altitude go hand in hand; anyway you won't get a definite answer without knowing the specs of the ejection seat, i.e. acceleration, burn time of the rocket motor or rather how they're modeled in Black Shark. :lol::thumbup: Oh no, when I go down in flames, I go down! :smartass::joystick::doh: thanks for the correction :D To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
spyda Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 When I eject while turning close to the ground, my virtual representation always crash to the ground. I find that in most circonstances, ejecting and surviving is a 50/50 chances. Ejection does not guarantee survival HP TouchSmart IQ816 / 25.5" HD touch screen / 9600GS 512/ Core 2 Duo 2.16 / 4GB RAM / VISTA 64 / CH Fighterstick
mvsgas Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 Ejection does not guarantee survival It should to some extent. What I mean is as long as I am within the seat parameters and the seat work as advertise, I should survive ejection. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Mugenjin Posted April 20, 2009 Posted April 20, 2009 as i said, a vertical velocity ranging from mach 1.5 to mach 2.7 is probably not within seat parameters :lol:
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