The B-17

[MiloMorai]

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Whatever and whenever these bombers come they shall be swiftly removed from the skies lol.

[Charly_Owl]

Whatever and whenever these bombers come they shall be swiftly removed from the skies lol.

 

Not if they have fighter escorts, buddy. :pilotfly:

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Much fear I sense in you, more training will you require should you wish to down ace pilot am I

[nervousenergy]

I've pretty much given up any hope of this plane being made in a full scale flight model. It's just incredibly complex (4 engines, bombing station, DM, gun platforms) and maybe wish instead that they model in the gunners positions so some people could hop around in those slots. Ai controls the flight operations keeping everything in a tight formation and slot a B17 gunner slot kind of like they do the ground operations.

That actually sounds much more complex than building a flyable plane just like all the others, but with no other stations other than the bombardier.

 

Come on, folks... hop in a Mig-21 and start learning its systems, then tell me a B-17 is harder. Even the Huey looks like it would have been a lot more work to produce. Yes, doing all the modeling and texture work for all the gun stations / turrets would be a BIG effort, but that's hardly necessary for a successful project that people would buy and fly. Mannable stations are a nifty gimmick that would hardly ever get used.

[Charly_Owl]

Much fear I sense in you, more training will you require should you wish to down ace pilot am I

 

If you have to brag about shooting down bombers, I doubt that you're much of an ace anyway. :D

 

[NineLine]

That actually sounds much more complex than building a flyable plane just like all the others, but with no other stations other than the bombardier.

 

Come on, folks... hop in a Mig-21 and start learning its systems, then tell me a B-17 is harder. Even the Huey looks like it would have been a lot more work to produce. Yes, doing all the modeling and texture work for all the gun stations / turrets would be a BIG effort, but that's hardly necessary for a successful project that people would buy and fly. Mannable stations are a nifty gimmick that would hardly ever get used.

 

I have to agree, I think its more about manpower than complexity at this point. VEAO has stated they are doing a Lancaster, so I dont think a bomber is any more difficult than anything else out there. Just need to find a team with time to do it.

[thinkr]

I would love to see this a reality!

[BFBunny]

It would be cool to have it as an AI unit, but IDK. There are so many planes that have AI models, f16, c130, etc that i'd love to see as player flyable planes.

[Charly_Owl]

I have to agree, I think its more about manpower than complexity at this point. VEAO has stated they are doing a Lancaster, so I dont think a bomber is any more difficult than anything else out there. Just need to find a team with time to do it.

 

As a matter of fact, PMan did mention some interesting facts about the Lancaster in his last interview with Dojo.

 

Doing a Lancaster or a B-17 is something that is much, much more complex than meets the eye. Each engine has its own model (not a 3D model, I mean a thermodynamic and mechanical engine model) and all these engines models are intertwined with the other engines' models. Just ask Yo-Yo, he'll be the first to tell you how complex things can get in a 4-engined bomber. Each engine is different and they interact with one another. The radial Wright R-1820 does not work the same way as the Allison V-1710, so engine "models" vary from engine to engine from a coding perspective.

 

PMan did say that they planned to go gradually. They will first release a C-47 (twin-engine) and based on the experience they gained from this they will then go to a Lancaster.

[NineLine]

As a matter of fact, PMan did mention some interesting facts about the Lancaster in his last interview with Dojo.

 

Doing a Lancaster or a B-17 is something that is much, much more complex than meets the eye. Each engine has its own model (not a 3D model, I mean a thermodynamic and mechanical engine model) and all these engines models are intertwined with the other engines' models. Just ask Yo-Yo, he'll be the first to tell you how complex things can get in a 4-engined bomber. Each engine is different and they interact with one another. The radial Wright R-1820 does not work the same way as the Allison V-1710, so engine "models" vary from engine to engine from a coding perspective.

 

PMan did say that they planned to go gradually. They will first release a C-47 (twin-engine) and based on the experience they gained from this they will then go to a Lancaster.

 

I think every model has its own hang ups, whether its multi engine, multi crew, air-to-ground radar, whatever... its just finding the right team to go for it :)

[Charly_Owl]

its just finding the right team to go for it :)

 

I couldn't agree more. I'm sure VEAO has what it takes to get the job done good and proper. :thumbup:

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

If you have to brag about shooting down bombers, I doubt that you're much of an ace anyway. :D

 

 

We shall see when we meet over Normandy, we shall see. Send me a PM if your on the DOW servers and wanna fly up.

[HeadHunter52]

Mannable stations are a nifty gimmick that would hardly ever get used.

 

Perhapsm but I'd be one of the users.

[Rangi]

As a matter of fact, PMan did mention some interesting facts about the Lancaster in his last interview with Dojo.

 

 

PMan did say that they planned to go gradually. They will first release a C-47 (twin-engine) and based on the experience they gained from this they will then go to a Lancaster.

 

C-47 to Lancaster via the mossie I hope, sorry Sith I know how much you want that Lanc.

[Vedexent]

If you have to brag about shooting down bombers, I doubt that you're much of an ace anyway. :D

 

I don't know ... sure, they just sit there aren't aren't that maneuverable, but they've got guns that can shred your plane poking out all over the place :)

 

It's just a different kind of air combat challenge, just like siege warfare is totally different from armor tactics.

 

IMHO - the big bombers of the era were beautiful aircraft in their own way, and I haven't seen anyone try and do a high fidelity modern simulation on any platform.

 

I'd buy one.

[NeilWillis]

Buy one?

 

I can't think of anything more amazing that 4 engines running up before a take off roll. All that horsepower roaring away, then the lumbering beast gathering momentum during the roll, before you haul it into the air by sheer willpower alone.

 

Lumbering slowly up to altitude, while wrestling the thing into tight formation, or in the Lancaster, keeping your eyes peeled in the gathering dusk to avoid the 999 other bombers all assembling for tonight's raid on Berlin.

 

Do you not think a crew of 7/8 men all flying in one bomber, trying to reach that magic goal of 25 missions wouldn't fill all the crew positions?

 

It'd be gaming on a whole new level.

[Mike Busutil]

they've got guns that can shred your plane poking out all over the place :)

 

 

[NineLine]

C-47 to Lancaster via the mossie I hope, sorry Sith I know how much you want that Lanc.

 

Yes, yes I do :)

 

Actually any multi engine bomber would do at this point :)

[MiloMorai]

Testing done by the USAAF found that the bullet pattern from a B-17 during ground testing had the following results for 12 rounds to 600yds:

 

ball turret > dia. 15' - 8.3mils

upper turret > dia. 21' - 11.7mils

chin turret > dia. 23' - 12.6 mils

waist(closed) dia. 26' - 14.3mils

side nose > dia. 34' - 18.7mils

tail turret > dia 45' - 25mils

 

For the B-24 it was:

 

ball turret > dia. 15' - 8.3mils

upper turret > dia. 20' - 11.2mils

nose turret > dia. 23' - 12.9mils (Emerson)

nose turret > dia. 35' - 19.3mils (Motor Prod.)

waist(closed) dia. 23' - 12.9mils

waist(open) dia. 63' - 35.6mils

tail turret > dia 35' - 19.3mils

 

taken from: "Gunner" ISBN 1-55046-332-2

[Charly_Owl]

Buy one?

 

I can't think of anything more amazing that 4 engines running up before a take off roll. All that horsepower roaring away, then the lumbering beast gathering momentum during the roll, before you haul it into the air by sheer willpower alone.

 

Lumbering slowly up to altitude, while wrestling the thing into tight formation, or in the Lancaster, keeping your eyes peeled in the gathering dusk to avoid the 999 other bombers all assembling for tonight's raid on Berlin.

 

Do you not think a crew of 7/8 men all flying in one bomber, trying to reach that magic goal of 25 missions wouldn't fill all the crew positions?

 

It'd be gaming on a whole new level.

 

That "25 missions to Berlin" would the hell of a youtube series. :D

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

That "25 missions to Berlin" would the hell of a youtube series. :D

 

Oh man the short films when 1944 Normandy comes out with CA and planes, hehehehe Im all tingly now.

[HeadHunter52]

That "25 missions to Berlin" would the hell of a youtube series. :D

 

Oh hell yes, wouldn't that be inSANE. It would be worth trying just to fill that mission alone. Imagine the K4 jockeys, though, all lining up for the one bird that has the real crew. Bragging rights. It would have to have some serious controls over who is "real" and who is AI, or it would be a Charlie Foxtrox of massive results.

[NeilWillis]

There should be a prize for the first crew to complete it. Maybe a second tour :megalol:

 

But the kudos alone would be a huge motivation.

 

:pilotfly: :pilotfly:

[Merlin-27]

Imagine the joy of seeing your little friends arrive to escort... And the sadness of seeing them depart.