[CLOSED]Game Crashes since 1.2.6 - 64 Bit OS

[KewlerMouh]

Hello ED-Team,

 

I am playing and fell in love into DCS since Version 1.2.5., bought a new system for that purpose.

 

1.2.5. was very stable, but since the upgrade to 1.2.6. the game had crashed during flight in nearly every singleplayer-campagin game (currently playing FC SU25A and BS2), as well as in multiplayer Games. The crashes appeared random, but at least after one hour. The game was stable in very small maps, like the first four maps in the BS2 Deployment campaign. The game crashed to Desktop with the message "DCS.exe ist not working anymore"

 

My system Specs:

OS: Win7 64 Bit SP1

CPU:Core i5-4430 4x3Ghz

8GB RAM

GPU: AMD 7770 Ghz Edition

SSD HD

 

The Game is running with Admin rights!

 

I tried following things:

-Repair DCS for several Times

-Complete clean Reinstall of Version 1.2.6

-I moved the dcs folder in the users directory and restarted the game.

-I reinstalled the C++ Enviroment

 

Afterwards I lost my nerves and downgraded to version 1.2.5, where I plan to stay until the next patch.

 

On the Bottom is the last crash log, I hope this can be some help and again thank you for your work, your project is brilliant, my friends and I plan to hang on with you for a long time :)

 

Greetings from Austria!

 

 

# -------------- 20130914-124110 --------------

 

# C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION at F2357F51 00:00000000

00000000 00000000 0000:00000000

F2357F51 0025ECB0 0000:00000000 ??4TempFilesManager@CoreUtils@@QEAAAEAV01@AEBV01@@Z()+E21

F23705D6 0025EF80 0000:00000000 ?setRoute@wcColumn@@QEAAXAEBV?$map@MURoutePoint@@U?$less@M@std@@V?$allocator@U?$pair@$$CBMURoutePoint@@@std@@@ed@@@ed@@@Z()+B96

F2356FFF 0025F0B0 0000:00000000 ??0TempFilesManager@CoreUtils@@QEAA@AEBV01@@Z()+1FF

F333EBA2 0025F0E0 0000:00000000 ?start@ControllerMission@AI@@UEAA_NXZ()+32

F333DF90 0025F110 0000:00000000 ?setTask@Controller@AI@@UEAAPEAVTaskState@2@PEAVTask@2@@Z()+90

F333E5AC 0025F150 0000:00000000 ?pushTask@Controller@AI@@UEAAPEAVTaskState@2@PEAVTask@2@@Z()+8C

F2367749 0025F180 0000:00000000 ?Control@wcColumn@@UEAANXZ()+69

F337FA4F 0025F1C0 0000:00000000 ?NextEvent@wWakeupTime@@UEAAXXZ()+2F

E5DC86A1 0025F250 0000:00000000

E5DC8B5B 0025F2A0 0000:00000000

400C8099 0025F330 0000:00000000

400CAACD 0025F390 0000:00000000

400E0A14 0025F3C0

[ENO]

The other "usual" suspect in the 64 bit environment that recently came to my attention is the "swap file."

 

If memory serves, setting it at 0 was one way of improving performance in the early days- this gradually results in RAM usage increasing until such a time that it finally just crashes.

 

It's worth a look.

[NineLine]

its hard to help you out if you have reverted to 1.2.5, if you want to give it another crack just let us know, or we can revisit it after the next patch if you are still having issues.

[Hamblue]

One thing I noticed causing crashes is popups. I had a program (adobe) and another program (system mechanic) announce a update available in the background and the game crashed. When I closed the program the popup was on the screen. happened on different occurrences.

One thing that seems to help is if I hit ctrl alt del to bring up task manager before starting the program. Don't know why but I don't get very few crashes when doing that first.

[NineLine]

One thing I noticed causing crashes is popups. I had a program (adobe) and another program (system mechanic) announce a update available in the background and the game crashed. When I closed the program the popup was on the screen. happened on different occurrences.

One thing that seems to help is if I hit ctrl alt del to bring up task manager before starting the program. Don't know why but I don't get very few crashes when doing that first.

 

 

This is a good point, you need to make sure you dont have a bunch of junk running in the background, you might be surprised to know what is going on in the background because of all these little things different programs like to install... can make your RAM seem very small very fast :)

 

Last time I crashed 1.2.6 was when I left 3D Studio open... that's not gonna work :)

[KewlerMouh]

Firstaful thanks for the advice guys!

I am currently updating to 1.2.6 again to give it a try, so please don't close the topic yet.

 

@ ENO/swap: Good Point, but it is at automatic, currently are 8 GB allocated of 12GB max.

 

@junk in the background: this is a dedicated sim-pc, not my working machine, so there is very less junk in the background; clean install, no office suite, just an adobe reader (for the manuals :P). so there are no popups; anyhow, I will try to run task manager in the background to have a look next time.

 

Btw my wingman has a very similar machine, only with windows 8 64 bit and experiences the same problems since the update.

[gregecslo]

Yes we have same case.

This has nothing to do with your computer.

Again SWAP file is OK, RAM is OK and your PC is perfectly OK.

 

1.2.6 is to blame, I also went back to 1.2.5 not a single crash.

Went back on 1.2.6 it crashes 3x per 1 hour play.

 

I made decision not to play it anymore until this is resolved.

Sad but true.

[Zeke]

Yes, I have the same problem since 1.2.6. Never had a crash before, ever, then after the upgrade to 1.2.6 it crashes almost every time I fly it. I have tried a few things to hopefully fix it to no avail. Hopefully the next patch will fix this.

[NineLine]

Well guys, I am sorry you are having issues, my machine is nothing to write home about and I dont have these crashes at all, so the key is we have to see if we can find a common occurrence.

 

Have you tried removing your DCS folder from Saved Games and letting the sim recreate it?

 

Have you checked that yuo have no program runnning in the background that could effect it, even one you might not think could cause an issue may do it.

 

Have you run a repair

 

Have you checked to see if you desktop resolution and sim resolution are the same

 

Have you tracked your memory usage to see if it is using more than it should, at the same time making sure your available memory is there compared to what you have installed?

 

Run Microsoft Viual C++ 2010 runtime install? Making sure you dont have a number of older version that may cause conflicts

 

Run the latest DX9c Runtime Installer

 

Check all your hardware drivers to make sure they are up to date?

 

Are you running as admin?

 

Have you tried a repair?

 

Have you tried a fresh install?

 

I am sure there are more options to try if you need them.

[gregecslo]

I did a fresh Win8 x64 reinstall.

Installed latest:

1. Chipset drivers

2. Devices drivers

3. Nvidia drivers

4. DirectX 9-X

5. C++ 2010 redist x64 and x86

 

And then latest 1.2.6 version.

Firts game in MP crashed again.

Machine had no AV software installed.

 

So, what is next?

Should I got to shop and buy a new PC to rule out HW issues??!

 

Even though I keep telling everyone that I GET NO CRASH WITH 1.2.5 VERSION..

[NineLine]

Can you include your .CRASH files?

[gregecslo]

Even though I keep telling everyone that I GET NO CRASH WITH 1.2.5 VERSION..

 

This tells me (I work in IT) that software is the culprit here and that something was borked either win Win8 updates or with 1.2.6

 

Please do not ask to repair, reinstall, delete some mambo jumbo folders etc...

 

Please DO get me a logging version of DCS.EXE that can produce something more that access violation.

[gregecslo]

Can you include your .CRASH files?

I will if noone else will.

Just give me 10 minutes for game to crash.

[NineLine]

I will if noone else will.

Just give me 10 minutes for game to crash.

 

 

I need yours as you are in Win 8, maybe there is an issue with Win 8 and 1.2.6, If I cant find another tester running Win 8 with no issues I will submit your crash files to ED.

 

The goal here is to find a way to reproduce the crash, as I cant on Win7 I need to find other ways, I understand you are frustrated, but you need to help me help you.

[gregecslo]

I understand you...

But now you have to understand me.

I paid for this game and now I see more and more errors.

 

OK back to problem.

There is no crash file even created, see image here:

http://shrani.si/f/2e/m6/3qvI4jzB/imag0017.jpg

 

Furthermore event log shows this error:

Faulting application name: DCS.exe, version: 1.2.6.17746, time stamp: 0x5225b96f
Faulting module name: fc3_protect.dll, version: 5.70.46.4, time stamp: 0x5225bdb7
Exception code: 0x40000015
Fault offset: 0x000000000002e2ce
Faulting process id: 0x63c
Faulting application start time: 0x01ceb55d0c9aafe2
Faulting application path: D:\Games\DCS World\bin\DCS.exe
Faulting module path: D:\Games\DCS World\mods\aircrafts\Flaming Cliffs\bin\fc3_protect.dll
Report Id: bca105c2-2151-11e3-be83-0015af2279ac
Faulting package full name: 
Faulting package-relative application ID:

 

This is all I have.

 

BTW, 8GB RAM and 4GB pagefile, this should do it.

[Dunks]

Joined server, took a look at the briefing, clicked back and clicked pool to check out my ping, which was 60 something, then....

 

# -------------- 20130919-165135 --------------

 

# C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION at E4F44601 00:00000000

00000000 00000000 0000:00000000

E4F44601 0030F340 0000:00000000 ?startMessageTransmition@wCommunicator@@MEAAXAEBV?$Ptr@VwMessage@@@Mem@@@Z()+51

E4F47038 0030F380 0000:00000000 ?startTransmition@wCommunicator@@MEAAXXZ()+88

E4F41536 0030F3B0 0000:00000000 ?updateStatus@wReceivingMessageData@@QEAAXXZ()+66

F7AA86A1 0030F440 0000:00000000

F7AA8B5B 0030F490 0000:00000000

3F4D8099 0030F520 0000:00000000

3F4DAACD 0030F580 0000:00000000

3F4F0A14 0030F5B0 0000:00000000

3F4F08EB 0030F5E0 0000:00000000

3F584B38 0030F650 0000:00000000

3F586139 0030FC50 0000:00000000

3F588DAB 0030FD00 0000:00000000

776C652D 0030FD30 0001:0001552D C:\Windows\system32\kernel32.dll BaseThreadInitThunk()+D

7794C521 0030FD80 0001:0002B521 C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll RtlUserThreadStart()+21

 

Faulting application name: DCS.exe, version: 1.2.6.17746, time stamp: 0x5225b96f

Faulting module name: wRadio.dll, version: 1.2.6.17746, time stamp: 0x521e14fc

Exception code: 0xc0000005

 

 

tried repair

 

deleted saved games dcs folder

 

did complete reinstall

 

was running as administrator at the time

Edited September 19, 2013 by Dunks
adding info

[PondLife]

Well guys, I am sorry you are having issues, my machine is nothing to write home about and I dont have these crashes at all, so the key is we have to see if we can find a common occurrence.

 

Have you tried removing your DCS folder from Saved Games and letting the sim recreate it?

 

etc etc

 

I am sure there are more options to try if you need them.

 

Isn't this something ED should be doing? crash logs on the servers (almost all of which are having similar problems since 1.2.6) and generic runtime errors on the clients are not really pointing to one specific cause, this problem really needs to be de-bugged properly by ED development and QA. Agreed that accurate information when reporting issues is essential but given the amount of customer feedback, I think ED should be proactive in trying to reproduce the issues and fix them.

[NineLine]

Isn't this something ED should be doing? crash logs on the servers (almost all of which are having similar problems since 1.2.6) and generic runtime errors on the clients are not really pointing to one specific cause, this problem really needs to be de-bugged properly by ED development and QA. Agreed that accurate information when reporting issues is essential but given the amount of customer feedback, I think ED should be proactive in trying to reproduce the issues and fix them.

 

It is being done, but at the same time you can never have too much data, and I will tell you that a number of problems can be solved with troubleshooting, we have to exhaust those first... ED cant replicate every possible PC configuration out there... so we need to help, specially if we are effected by issues.

[NineLine]

it would be better for you to create a new post, give all info, including system specs. It will just get lost ins someone elses thread otherwise...

 

Joined server, took a look at the briefing, clicked back and clicked pool to check out my ping, which was 60 something, then....

 

# -------------- 20130919-165135 --------------

 

# C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION at E4F44601 00:00000000

00000000 00000000 0000:00000000

E4F44601 0030F340 0000:00000000 ?startMessageTransmition@wCommunicator@@MEAAXAEBV?$Ptr@VwMessage@@@Mem@@@Z()+51

E4F47038 0030F380 0000:00000000 ?startTransmition@wCommunicator@@MEAAXXZ()+88

E4F41536 0030F3B0 0000:00000000 ?updateStatus@wReceivingMessageData@@QEAAXXZ()+66

F7AA86A1 0030F440 0000:00000000

F7AA8B5B 0030F490 0000:00000000

3F4D8099 0030F520 0000:00000000

3F4DAACD 0030F580 0000:00000000

3F4F0A14 0030F5B0 0000:00000000

3F4F08EB 0030F5E0 0000:00000000

3F584B38 0030F650 0000:00000000

3F586139 0030FC50 0000:00000000

3F588DAB 0030FD00 0000:00000000

776C652D 0030FD30 0001:0001552D C:\Windows\system32\kernel32.dll BaseThreadInitThunk()+D

7794C521 0030FD80 0001:0002B521 C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll RtlUserThreadStart()+21

 

tried repair

 

deleted saved games dcs folder

 

did complete reinstall

 

was running as administrator at the time

[KewlerMouh]

Well guys, I am sorry you are having issues, my machine is nothing to write home about and I dont have these crashes at all, so the key is we have to see if we can find a common occurrence.

 

Have you tried removing your DCS folder from Saved Games and letting the sim recreate it?

 

Have you checked that yuo have no program runnning in the background that could effect it, even one you might not think could cause an issue may do it.

 

Have you run a repair

 

Have you checked to see if you desktop resolution and sim resolution are the same

 

Have you tracked your memory usage to see if it is using more than it should, at the same time making sure your available memory is there compared to what you have installed?

 

Run Microsoft Viual C++ 2010 runtime install? Making sure you dont have a number of older version that may cause conflicts

 

Run the latest DX9c Runtime Installer

 

Check all your hardware drivers to make sure they are up to date?

 

Are you running as admin?

 

Have you tried a repair?

 

Have you tried a fresh install?

 

I am sure there are more options to try if you need them.

 

 

Did all of that, except a fresh direct x install, because my system is only a month old. But giving ENOs thought a changed a bit in the swap configuration, I turned of the automatic allocation for every drive and allocated specificly to my c: drive. Shouldn't change much, but I ran DCS 1.2.6 at all crash-missions (A10C instant action, SU25A Cold Warrior Campaign, Ka50 MP Missions which crashed before), I even tortured the Machine by adding around 500 units to the maps. So far no crash the for 3 hours.

Tomorrow I fly the night multiplayer with my wingman (Windows 8), this will be the real test. At worst outcome I bring you some juicy fresh crash reports, from my Win7 and his Win8 System.

 

Good Night Gentleman.

[NineLine]

Can you try running DCS in Win7 compatibility mode?

 

http://www.online-tech-tips.com/windows-8/run-a-program-in-compatibility-mode-in-windows-8/

 

I understand you...

But now you have to understand me.

I paid for this game and now I see more and more errors.

 

OK back to problem.

There is no crash file even created, see image here:

http://shrani.si/f/2e/m6/3qvI4jzB/imag0017.jpg

 

Furthermore event log shows this error:

Faulting application name: DCS.exe, version: 1.2.6.17746, time stamp: 0x5225b96f
Faulting module name: fc3_protect.dll, version: 5.70.46.4, time stamp: 0x5225bdb7
Exception code: 0x40000015
Fault offset: 0x000000000002e2ce
Faulting process id: 0x63c
Faulting application start time: 0x01ceb55d0c9aafe2
Faulting application path: D:\Games\DCS World\bin\DCS.exe
Faulting module path: D:\Games\DCS World\mods\aircrafts\Flaming Cliffs\bin\fc3_protect.dll
Report Id: bca105c2-2151-11e3-be83-0015af2279ac
Faulting package full name: 
Faulting package-relative application ID:

This is all I have.

 

BTW, 8GB RAM and 4GB pagefile, this should do it.

[SkateZilla]

The problem with Auto is it sets it to like 1500 something MB to start,

 

if the Swap File Expands Rapidly (say when it's loading all the Data for a mission), if it expands and hits the limit, DCS Will Crash with a Access_Violation (Cx00000005), Before Windows can "Automatically" Expand it, Because it the Process Cannot Access the Swap File to write temp data to it if it's Full.

[gregecslo]

Did run it in compatibility mode and yet it crashes...

[NineLine]

Can you include some of your .CRASH files?

[gregecslo]

Grrr...

Read my posts, there are no crash files created...:mad: