Raven_Morpheus Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) Hello Just been eyeing up the UH-1H because I'm torn between buying that or Black Shark 2, and I note that the M23 and M21 weapon systems are modelled wrong compared to what I've always seen of UH-1's. UH-1H's were mostly used as slicks (transports) in 'Nam and I don't think I've ever seen a UH-1H used as a gunship, not in 'Nam or since then. The gunship role during the 'Nam conflict until the AH-1 came along was performed by the UH-1B and UH-1C, not UH-1H's. Uh-1H's (and their earlier counterpart the UH-1D) were armed with an M60 on either side (sometimes on a sling, sometimes on the M23 mount) but that was about it. And to my knowledge that remains the case to this day. In the time I've been reading about Hueys for research to build scale models of them I've not come across a single Huey with 2 weapon mounts on the same helicopter, the M134 miniguns on a forward mount and the rockets on a mount behind them - they are always on the same mount. I know that there were plans to use Hueys with 2 mounts on each side, and the fuselages even have the holes/mounting points in them for this, but to my knowledge it never happened - the idea was abandoned. In all the photos of real UH-1's I've seen there are never 2 mounts on each side as there are on the UH-1H in the DCS module! Please see this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._helicopter_armament_subsystems This is the M21 system - Apologies if I'm wrong (I'd be very surprised if there was ever a UH-1 with 2 weapon mounts on each side but I'd be happy to admit I'm wrong if anyone can provide a genuine picture of one), and I know the UH-1H is still in beta (as far as I understand it), but I really hope ED correct this. Edited December 18, 2013 by Raven_Morpheus
TurboHog Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) Two mounts on each side may be uncommon, but: http://www.ipas.com.au/pages/Page_Art_Huey_Profile.htm Please note that your post will most likely be moved to the BST - UH-1H subforum where it belongs. Edited December 18, 2013 by TurboHog 'Frett'
NoCarrier Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 Long story short, you are not the first one to point this out. Most of us are well aware that the UH-1H's armament in the Huey module is not historically accurate, but Belsimtek apparently went ahead anyway on the basis that the H-model is more fun to fly, either as a slick or a gunship, than the B and C models, which are relatively underpowered. Also, I read somewhere that the Australians actually had an H-model gunship in service, so it's nowhere near outside the realm of possibility either.
TurboHog Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 Long story short, you are not the first one to point this out. Most of us are well aware that the UH-1H's armament in the Huey module is not historically accurate, but Belsimtek apparently went ahead anyway on the basis that the H-model is more fun to fly, either as a slick or a gunship, than the B and C models, which are relatively underpowered. Also, I read somewhere that the Australians actually had an H-model gunship in service, so it's nowhere near outside the realm of possibility either. The H models from the pictures of my post # 2 were in Australian service until retired in 2007 'Frett'
Raven_Morpheus Posted December 18, 2013 Author Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) Hmm. OK I stand corrected then. I was not aware the Aussies had a few of them during 'Nam and later. To my knowledge that configuration was abandoned during tests by the US and the vast majority of UH-1D's and later did not use it. Still, I hope there is a configuration option to allow for the proper M21 system as in the pic I posted, or at least the ability to remove the forward mount when only arming with the M60's. Or hopefully someone will mod the correct system in. Edited December 18, 2013 by Raven_Morpheus
AlphaOneSix Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 The Australians, as mentioned, used UH-1Hs with the two separate mounts as you see in-game. Just do a Google search for RAAF Bushranger and you'll get lots of info on the specific type modeled in-game. It would be nice to see a proper M21 subsystem like you mention, but I wouldn't hold my breath. The UH-1H module is produced by Belsimtek, and they have their own forum here, under the "Third Party Projects" section.
MVSokie Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 "UH-1H "Nighthawk" was equipped with a landing light and a pintle mounted M134 7.62mm "mini gun" for use during night interdiction missions. The AH-1G Cobra was often flown on night "Firefly" missions using the UH-1H "Nighthawk" to locate and illuminate targets. " this was taken from this website http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/Aircraft/Bell-UH1.html I wouldnt say it is solid proof of anything but interesting none the less. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
scrtagnt69 Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 My buddy Steve 3-3 Bookout flew the first Nighthawk/Firefly 40 ft AGL @ 45 kts.
joey45 Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 How come we don't get twin M60s...?? The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
Scrim Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 Don't understand the argument of this thread to being with. Hueys weren't discontinued the moment the Vietnam war ended, and even in that war I've read of H versions being used as gun ships. Guessing we don't get twin 60's because it was pretty much solely a Vietnam field modification, rendered obsolete when M134s became more standard.
joey45 Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 Guessing we don't get twin 60's because it was pretty much solely a Vietnam field modification, rendered obsolete when M134s became more standard. And? The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
Scrim Posted April 29, 2014 Posted April 29, 2014 And BST seem to have focused on an UH-1H, not a Vietnam era specific Huey.
sorcer3r Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Before adding new weapons IMO the next step should be the implementation of a MWS. A10C already has it so the basic code is already in dcs? [sIGPIC]http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/sorcerer17/sorcf16-b_zpsycmnwuay.gif[/sIGPIC]
McBlemmen Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I would take a minigun over twin MG's any day of the week
FlyNate Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 The Huey weapons systems - are they wrong? I would take a minigun over twin MG's any day of the week Same here, but the twin 60s sure looks badass lol. Check this out guys... Why did we not get this option? I want this, but not on the forward mounts. I too want just the rear mounts with everything installed on them. BST should just make a UH-1B lol. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Scrim Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 That's asking them to make a whole new helo. Other engine, somewhat smaller airframe (H version was extended 3 feet IIRC), etc. They'd have to make a lot of new things, only to end up with a product that is so similar to the H version that they'd be hard pressed to sell enough to make up for the resources spent on developing it.
joey45 Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) I think there's a connecter for mounted M60s... EDIT... Nope. Thought there was.. Edited May 1, 2014 by joey45 The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
FlyNate Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 That's asking them to make a whole new helo. Other engine, somewhat smaller airframe (H version was extended 3 feet IIRC), etc. They'd have to make a lot of new things, only to end up with a product that is so similar to the H version that they'd be hard pressed to sell enough to make up for the resources spent on developing it. True. I would be happy with just the weapons change. I don't use the forward minis much because it doesn't look good. That's just me though. I really would love to have the guns moved back and have no front station at all. Is anyone working on it? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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