Frostie Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I'd like to see a bit more interaction between server hosts. I've started adding labels to my ban list so next to the name I have a reason within the quotes. This way if I share my list a person can see the severity action resulting in the ban, how long ago it was. Maybe I'm just a tightwad... Maybe some people believe in second chances... New guys make mistakes and don't pay attention to rules, to them this is their game and they're having fun. It takes a week or two of bannage for most to learn responsibilty. For the most part they learn fast and everything is rosie, those that carry on get longer. If you perma ban the minor mistakes first time around you're risking creating resentment rather than an apology and a realisation of the need to conform. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
badger66 Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I think you have to treat team killing as an individual item . Its unfair to someone , who doesn't normally team kill , and can be easily caught out . I team killed an armored unit a couple days ago on the 51st . If I would have been booted for that , I would have been pissed .I reported my own team kill to one of their members and was told ..... no worries . I still don't like the fact that it happened .......... The people who do this intentionally is another story altogether . The bit I don't like is when you ask them WTF , they get all upset and start calling your Mother names ..... Can the game keep track of IP address and ban these people ?
badger66 Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I will share my Slmod BannedClients.lua file if you want -- PM me. I don't think that's very nice or fair to be honest . While said person might have bent the rules in your server ..... perhaps he didn't on others . So as long as a person didn't offend on other servers ..... nobody has the right to impose a world wide server ban . That's nasty . 1
Wrecking Crew Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I don't think that's very nice or fair to be honest . While said person might have bent the rules in your server ..... perhaps he didn't on others . So as long as a person didn't offend on other servers ..... nobody has the right to impose a world wide server ban . That's nasty . I run the *open* Hollo Pointe server and my rules are fairly lenient, and I'll take people off of my Ban list if they contact me. I have contacted a few folks, myself, to let them know they got on it, to see if it was a mistake -- In all of these cases they were removed. But I'm not going to put up with the jerks who team kill intentionally. I'd like to put my Ban list out in the open so everyone can see who's made the list -- and then they could make a case for getting off of it. So, anyone who cannot connect to Hollo Pointe, PM me and I'll be glad to check my list and will quite prolly comment out that record. What's nasty is to have someone come into the server and bomb/strafe us at the airbase or follow someone around and open up on them. It won't be tolerated, and I will share the list privately. WC Visit the Hollo Pointe DCS World server -- an open server with a variety of COOP & H2H missions including Combined Arms. All released missions are available for free download, modification and public hosting, from my Wrecking Crew Projects site.
Merlin-27 Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Eno, This is one specific "person" and we've communicated about it before. Remember, I created a thread because the offender is also an imposter...and my thread was deleted by the mods because I said who he was impersonating. It has not occurred in quite a while but he made sure to let me know it was the same "person" each time. Fortunately, his piloting ability prevents him from killing much at all and most times I could get him to dig a hole by following me into a moderately aggressive type maneuver... But the fact was that his intentions were to disrupt normal operation of my server. I provided many chances for him to "reform" himself (many told me I was too generous) however, each time he was sure to communicate his less than ideal outlook on MP interactions. It is a good thing most have not seen this type of abuse... but it does appear to be a potential problem lurking behind the scenes. Honestly, I only ever focused on player name and UCID back then but if I get a sec I will take a look at the IPs if I can pull them from the server logs. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] [Dogs of War] WWII COMBAT SERVER | P-51D - FW190-D9 - Me109-K4 Visit Our Website & Forum to Get More Info & Team Speak Access
ENO Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 nobody has the right to impose a world wide server ban. How is it that you administrate your 24/7 open server, pray tell? Perhaps we can learn a thing or two from your success? "ENO" Type in anger and you will make the greatest post you will ever regret. "Sweetest's" Military Aviation Art
Wrecking Crew Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 Eno's idea about adding comments to the Ban list is a good one. I will do my best to update entries with a comment. For the Slmod Ban lists, the comments can be added to the player's name, within the quotes, like this: ["9999999999999999999999999999999"] = "Wrecking Crew -- team kill even after text chat to the jerk, 20140117", WC Visit the Hollo Pointe DCS World server -- an open server with a variety of COOP & H2H missions including Combined Arms. All released missions are available for free download, modification and public hosting, from my Wrecking Crew Projects site.
badger66 Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 How is it that you administrate your 24/7 open server, pray tell? Perhaps we can learn a thing or two from your success? There is no need to be a smart ass about what I wrote . You know very well I don't have a server because you know me around for a few years ..... there is no need to adopt that attitude with me Eno . I was disagreeing over the fact that (what I thought) a list was going to be made public upon request and other servers might take up on a name and ban them before they entered their server. WC explained more clearly the intention was that certain people who are banned , now know their banned and can approach the nessesery people to unban themselves . I haven't got a problem with that , but that's not what was first written .
ENO Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) ^ C'mon Badger- even in the message you quoted Crew tells the guy he'll share his list over PM... not in public. To tell us we "have no right" to share information privately under the assumption we're going to shout the list publicly from the rooftops was a bit insulting. Most of us have been doing this for awhile and know there are some pretty strict rules around here about putting this kind of information out there in public. Notice how we don't ever use names (that can be easily changed anyway) in here? We know the rules and we all work really, really hard to ensure that the playing field is fair for the folks who deserve it and less available to those who work even harder to ruin it. Edited January 18, 2014 by ENO "ENO" Type in anger and you will make the greatest post you will ever regret. "Sweetest's" Military Aviation Art
HiJack Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 Eno's idea about adding comments to the Ban list is a good one. I will do my best to update entries with a comment. For the Slmod Ban lists, the comments can be added to the player's name, within the quotes, like this: ["9999999999999999999999999999999"] = "Wrecking Crew -- team kill even after text chat to the jerk, 20140117", WC ServMan have had this for years :D
ENO Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 Technically SLMOD has to it's just nobody (that I know) has used it. It's just a manual entry. I got the idea from Servman, actually now that you mention it... "ENO" Type in anger and you will make the greatest post you will ever regret. "Sweetest's" Military Aviation Art
Wrecking Crew Posted January 18, 2014 Posted January 18, 2014 WC explained more clearly the intention was that certain people who are banned , now know their banned and can approach the nessesery people to unban themselves . I haven't got a problem with that , but that's not what was first written . Hey badger66, I thought about what you said, and what I could do to make the best of the situation. So, your comment was appreciated. --- Eno and I have been dealing with this stuff together for a few years now from the server side -- we *hate* team killers. As a result we get pretty worked up over it. Last year or the year before some idiot came into my server and started shooting up same side clients, and this guy had used another guy's pilot name. I got the name and blasted that on a post over at SimHQ -- I was soo freakin mad that I put the name into the title of the post. The word quickly went out to the real guy who's name was used, and we all talked through it and the real guy told us that this impostor was going into *many* servers and doing the same thing, trying to stir up resentment against the real guy. My post on SimHQ was taken down by the moderators, which I agreed with after I'd calmed down, because we all realized that anyone can use someone else's name. Another guy I know has had the same problem -- an impostor in DCS going to many servers and shooting up team members to cause trouble for the real guy. These two examples are just a couple of what we have witnessed on our servers. And as this thread shows, it happens frequently enough. We have seen Ban list entries where it appears the same person is using multiple UIDs and/or different names just to cause trouble. But they can't get in anymore, and I take satisfaction with that. ^^^ That's why I will privately share my Ban list. And why I have the thought about posting it publicly, but I realize DCS or SimHQ forums are not the place for that kind of thing. Some new idiot comes along and TKs w/o remorse then they are going onto the list and be shared with those of us who do that. I give these guys a chance to cease their TKs and destruction of friendly assets with a text chat or two. Sometimes it's just a mistake, they did not realize the 'rules', and when they straighten up and fly right then all is good, everyone is happy and we all get to have fun flying together. There are enough missions, too, where we have Client opponents and can do the H2H thing. But then there are those guys who you just know are up to something. Slinking around behind someone, lining up on their six, orbiting over a friendly base lining up on the runways at 10,000'. You send them a text chat to "DO NOT TK" and the next thing you know they are ripping into the guy ahead of them, or dropping CBUs on a group reading to takeoff, and then they make some smart a$$ comment and drop off the server. It's a common problem and we have the tools to shut these guys out. WC Visit the Hollo Pointe DCS World server -- an open server with a variety of COOP & H2H missions including Combined Arms. All released missions are available for free download, modification and public hosting, from my Wrecking Crew Projects site.
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