Ala13_ManOWar

I'd be all in for that. C152-172 would be perfect, so T41 Mescalero for those wanting it to be a military aircraft .

I know Rudel. BTW, I did read that back when he wrote it. But it's deeply annoying how every now and again people write their essays on "why I leave DCS because devs don't do what I like how I like…", and then again those threads go on for months without an end with people really concerned and thinking about "leave or stay" like that was important. And I mean, yeah, we all do go through whatever it is and go and come back. I don't fly DCS right now since I can't remember when due to personal reasons, life and those silly things happening all the time, you know. Ok, so I don't fly, I can't fly, I whatever you wanna call it because I'm unable to do so or whatever. But who cares!!! It's a damn game, and entertainment, a pastime. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't, but, giving that much of an importance to a hobby is stupid on itself!!

Ok, bye bye drama queen. We won't miss you whatsoever…

Wow, used those loooong time ago. Didn't know they were still a thing nowadays, are they?

Actually, there is a case of one person being arrested and imprisoned for trying to get classified manuals from ebay. And he was an old developer from ED. But he was sentenced and jailed in US, not in Russia... That's a sensitive matter mates, despite the appearance of openness with all the modern modules we have.

And we already got the F-5E!! one down to go... I believe UH-1H was mentioned to be getting these upgrades, maybe next one. F-86 and MiG-15 need them for sure, all the old Belsimtek stuff needs it for sure. But warbirds were mentioned either.

I'd buy it, U-2 is a so nice little bird.

Yep!! I told so many time ago, but people back then didn't pay attention to that. IMHO those early jet aeroplanes with limited radar and electronics equipment were the most interesting to fly from a simulation point of view, the most challenging for sure, and since they are now way outdated, the easier to find and get information about in order to make proper modules with almost a 100% accuracy since they all are now pretty much out of service (MiG-21 aside...). From a simulation fan perspective, to me that's one of the most interesting eras to simulate and fly in. But when I said so back in time people were asking for Hornets, Vipers, Eagles, Tomcats, and so on, which in the end are nice but since they're all still in service it's not possible to fully simulate them without shortcomings. And after all those appeared, apparently only now people realize those modules are limited by military secret so they aren't fully modelled at all, not even the long gone Tomcat . Then again they're nice to have, Ok, but flying a computer isn't as interesting as those early jets which were mostly a WWII prop plane with a jet engine and the pilot still counts. About the other subject spoken here, mates I'll say a very, very unpopular opinion, but Starfighter was what it was, an stratospheric Mach 2 interceptor with amazing climb abilities, and that was a cold war scenery imagined by people in their offices but IRL it never happened… then they realized it wasn't a very realistic scenery, but the money it cost were very real... , they tried to turn Starfighter into what it was not, just see F-104C doing CAS, so low level and slow flying trying to bring bombs into ground targets, and that wasn't what a wingless rocket aircraft was designed for… Starfighter is a really beautiful rocket with amazing performances, but it was designed for what it was designed and all of the other stuff it was used for were just stopgaps. Don't get me wrong, I want this module as many just because the amazing performances and the challenge to fly with it, it could be really interesting to master, but historically it was what it was and only people flying in a computer 50-60 years later will find out things it could be used for... from the comfort of their homes and without the risk of not coming back home mates.

1. true, but bear in mind the short time of service and low number of aeroplanes involved helped a lot with that 2. I wouldn't really know if they "ever" performed any at all, but it's true they mostly were interceptors for sure. Still, there're a few pictures of them with locally produced Mk.83 bombs loaded (those BR.500 painted in orange you can see in C-101, yeah), maybe just tests for the bombs themselves or whatever, don't really know. Since they obviously weren't ever used in any conflict, well, you could say they weren't used in ground attack role. They trained a little bit, guns mostly, but "used" in the role? well, you know.

... quite true ...

Yeah, apparently you don't read the forums a lot... F5 had some problems, I mean, it had them, RWR was broken for years, radar wasn't properly working since who knows what patch, yeah old textures is the least of our problems but they were there and some people complained also about that mate (including the cockpit reflection textures)... and so, and so. You mean "there's no problem" since quite recent patches which addressed some of those limping problems, years long problems in some cases. Yeah, right now it's not the worse module about that (because those recent patches) but still it was in need of some renewal for sure. I always liked F-5, it's a small simple aeroplane easy to handle yet hard to master and quite nice to my taste. This new revamp was definitely needed and a very welcome one. Anyhow, what I was trying to point out is how they work internally without noise and all of a sudden things happens. It's not new, it's happened before, but some people forget that it happens and things are going on whether we know them or not. Sincerely, I rather prefer the "without noise" launch than the ultra hype thing this and that "in the future" but since software is so volatile, today it's going well and tomorrow a bad stopper has put them in months of hard work without apparent movement yet, even if they told us we couldn't the internals of it nor we can do a thing about it whenever it happens. Anyhow, in the end the work gets done without any ado but we get it in due time anyway... Sincerely I like that way more than just plain hype. But all the people complaining for years (yes, not one day, or week, or even month, years...) forget their complaining and when we got whatever it is nobody says a thing about "ah, yes, just yesterday I complained again but we finally got this or that, thanks for the hard work to make it happen, I was wrong yesterday, last week or last month...", but no, not a single word, yet complains keep there forever... and so the bad feeling on people... About the other subject, the P-51 got a 3D model revamp not long ago together with new textures, kind of the same for 109, and Spitfire and 190A also got some new textures and 3D model fixes not long ago. Still are those old modules which would be welcome to get a v2.0 like we got here? Yes, totally. And IIRC some mods said in the forums those will eventually get their overhaul either. We just don't know when or how is it going if they're already working on it, or not, because, to be honest, 3D guys here have a lot of work to do with older modules in need of v2.0 (UH-1 perhaps? or whatever of them...). I mean, it's obvious they work internally without noise, things happens and we got them. Some day (who knows when) we'll get those, even the ones we already know they're working in!! Vulkan perhaps? or the long awaited dynamic campaign? or now the new fog has been released, new clouds and new weather engine they talk long ago? or, now the super carrier flight directors are released, the airfield crews they told us also long ago? not to mention the new comms for the whole maps and not only super carrier... I mean, we do know they work in lots of things at the same time, some of them are easier to implement, some of them are really hard to get there, yet the day we less expect them we get them!! and when we got nice long awaited things people tend to forget how hard it is to develop all of that and how long it took for them to got us there. The next week after a huge release some people start complaining again about "they don't work on anything, they probably dropped this or that and said nothing, I can't wait for this or that and it's taking forever...", people has so short term memory... Yet we got things, and those complains, as said before and what I was trying to say after all, are just an "expectation management" problem and anticipation from some users, because objectively we do get new things even when we don't expect them or we have already forgotten they were working on them...

Yes, anticipation and expectations are like that if you allow them to drag you there. Totally true. Still, those feelings aren't a real fact from what we can possibly know out here, we just don't know, we expect too much and imagine/invent also too much out of thin air since we know nothing . Just a tip, we've known today the F-5 module v2.0 is coming do DCS next week... from we've known earlier than that, what people was saying, "they've forgotten this module...", "it's absolutely abandoned, horrible module...", "They said it'd fix it sometime, we will see it after I'm retired..." , "absolutely garbage of a module, not worth it...", and so, so, so on mate. Not only they were working at it (as said, just long ago...) despite whatever people complained (and yes, the module was in desperate need of an update, totally true), but the work has gone way faster than could be expected and we get it next week. Yet we didn't know it because... they were working instead of talking. Do you get my point, right?

I totally get the example, and yes I can think of some other software out there with pretty much those conditions, which would definitely be so annoying and frustrating had I invested in that other software. Yes, I'm with you if you've being one of those space "investors" out there and I feel you pain, totally mate. But, you bear with me now. Here, frustration only comes from anticipation and expectations management, not because I've invested whatever the quantity in software with the "promise" of something amazingly good in a distant future which never comes to be. Here, yes, we've yet bought other products in the line of WWII stuff, amazing ones and pretty usable despite our willingness for even more content in that line, which I can relate too because I like it too. But those aren't even from a same theatre as we're talking here, which is a new theatre expected to come at some point, but not yet there, and when it comes it'll come pretty much fleshed out from what we know so far, a map, two carriers, two modules related to the theatre, ground and sea assets, and what not (and it might come it all out at the same time, or not... who knows...). Besides, some of the stuff we already have could be used in there, either? Yeah, sure, some of it will be fitting and usable either in this theatre to come, which will contribute to the fleshing out of the thing. I mean, sure, totally. But the other way around, until we have it and those other things which we know are coming are released? We don't have them, we haven't "invested" a cent on it, and we can enjoy the stuff we already have without a single problem more than our willingness to get the new stuff and try it on right away. It's not like we can't play Europe without a Corsair and a Hellcat, which yes, took part in D-day, but only in a minor rol so it's not like we are lacking that part we "need" badly. Some other stuff would be quite more "necessary" to the theatre we already have before those. So, two pretty much separated and relatively unrelated theatres, we have one which could be more fleshed out but it's fine as it is, and the other one not released yet and I haven't paid a cent for it. I still don't see why should I feel outraged because it's taking more time than I would like, which is the only reason to be outraged for, hence expectations and out of control willingness for something I don't have already. But I can't clearly see were I'm supposed to feel entitled about feeling outraged like I had already paid anything of a product I'm not getting. I haven't paid a single cent mate... what you talk about are some unfulfilled expectations I created myself in the first place since they didn't promise a thing nor I paid any pre-purchase of anything . So, what can we do in this situation? I just see one way out, wait patiently for it knowing it'll eventually come... and save money to buy it all the moment it's released specially if it all comes at once or almost at once, of course .

I didn't say it was a 100% realistic. "It's fun the way it is", recall that. And, anyway, realistic or not a hundred times better, enjoyable and rewarding to fly with and master than any FC module mate. Even now with 10+ years on top.

What did you just read from Plexus? Just saying...

You kidding, right? Thanks Plexus for taking the time to clarify that in order to ease the mind (hope so, at least) of those always worried about the end of the World. Thank you really mate, your words are truly appreciated .

What I'm losing hope in is humankind...

No, there isn't, ailerons are fully deflected rolling left as the aircraft does roll all the way left mate... Look at the video closely again.

What really baffles me is whether these people are real or just bots... in social media this kind of defeatist messages has a reason, by creating polemic they got clicks and that means money. Ok, stupid they're fine with destroying the World as it is for a few bucks. But here?? A random internet forum without publicity??? What's the point? What do they gain with this attitude? I really wouldn't know... and if they're real messed up people, well... humanity is doomed... But I still want the DCS modules before it all ends up thanks to those .

I don't need to demonstrate myself anything, it's you who need facts to support your bold claims. Anyhow, the first video in OP, the one commented, is very well known as it was studied in case it was some malfunctioning of the plane. Engineers concluded it's NO TORQUE ROLL, it was most probably than not just the stick slipped out from the pilot's hand while he wasn't paying attention at catapult launch and he couldn't grab it back in time to recover... You're welcome.

That doesn't mean "the P-51 has no torque", which is the stupid thing you said. The P-51 do have torque and it's obviously there every take off, landing and just taxiing on the ground. If you have any real data supporting what you say about that torque roll in that particular situation beyond hearsay, go make a proper bug report or thread with all that data. We will all appreciate the enhancement in the flight model. Otherwise "change it because I say so" is still no proof nor help for anything.

Not only is a v2.0 scheduled, but even how it is it's a wonderful module worth the while by long. If you like piloting and making stuff the old way, of course, if you're a button clicky and fancy screens guy it's probably not for you. And that's nothing to do with how old it is, this module is more than enjoyable the way it is despite its age. Have it a go if you haven't already in the trials and see by yourself, don't wait for others to tell you it's bad because it lacks this or that fancy stuff you won't even notice even if it were there.

I'll never understand that either, such a negative and defeatist attitude. Really goes beyond me how these people do survive in theirs day to day when everything in life is so wrong, bad, ugly, useless, unbearable… I'm awaiting for the La-7 as much as anyone, it's a first in hardcore simulation and I want to experience that messy engine management badly. But, what the heck, I've got more things to do in the meantime while awaiting but to keep just staring at the paint dry, I don't care how long does it take the developer to get it proper for launch, when he feels it's ready it'll be ready, but not any sooner and it's fine it is like that. Otherwise who knows what problems might arise due to any rush and in the end it'd be worse than not. And yes, this isn't the only WWII stuff we're awaiting for, but these kind of people, instead of thinking "hey, what a bunch of great stuff is about to come... it'll be great whenever we get it all", just think "how bad they didn't launch it yesterday, they've probably dropped it"... It's unbelievable they stand their lives at all.

Yeah, it's usually the case whenever you're a single developer in your own third party, you know . P.S.: I mean, dunno whether it's recently changed, or not, but he used to be a single person...

Didn't tell you the real joke, I was flying a horrible badly modelled, and underpowered compared to the almighty K-4, humble P-51… he tried to kill me by tricks (we were supposed to be there to make some performance tests... ) but the second I saw him (them, there were two of them, also the infamous around here Supongo were there, also got shot down) I saw them I knew those weren't their intentions but just kill me to take their usual server bitterness out of their mouths... they only got more, the P-51 in real disadvantage (I was low and slow awaiting for them for some manoeuvring tests and all) in the end (didn't take long) got them coming from the stratosphere in a mad B&Z, they thought they would be safe, invulnerable indeed, doing it like that and after all they were flying their almighty 109K-4... in the end they weren't invulnerable after all... They both are really bad pilots, and really bad shooters, they've been flying sims since ever but apparently never managed to learn a thing out of it. Instead, they just suppose just by flying the mighty 109 must keep them safe, sound, and instant aces... but no, it doesn't when you have two left hands...