SgtPappy

He's not talking about the hard wing Sabres. He's talking about the F-86F-35 which is what we have. Not a single one of those were in the Korean War, but as I stated above, externally, the plane is identical to the F-86F-30 which did see war action. Also no F-86A's were converted to 6-3 configuration. Only E's and early F's.

Well, damn. I'll have to invest in a new stick then... or get reeaalll good on my current setup.

This is correct. The F-86F-35 and F-86F-30 variants are so incredibly similar though, it would be absolutely no problem to simulate Korean War combat with our model. Just don't use the missiles. Externally, the two planes are essentially identical.

Have any tips for me? I've got a Logitech Extreme 3D which is years old but works so well. It's only in IFR where I get most issues. Trying to keep the plane from pulling up as I speed up or dropping its nose when I slow down is the biggest issue. I overcompensate inputs even with the smallest displacements of the stick. Should I put my Y-axis curvature up higher or something?

The slats were on the original production Sabres from F-86A to early F-86F's, as well as the F-86K. They were removed midway through the F-86F-25 and -30 production around 1952. These aircraft also have the "6-3 wing" which are the same as the regular wing but with a leading edge extended at the wing root by 6" and the tip by 3". The higher wing sweep created by the 6-3 extension also created the need for the fixed wing fence at 70% span to reduce spanwise flow as I mentioned earlier. This wing change necessitated a removable triangular prism-shaped section at the wing root to access the ammo bay doors which on previous planes were unblocked. This is probably the easiest way to see the 6-3 wing if the wing fence isn't visible. Our version is the F-86F-35 which was in production during, but showed up right after the Korean War. After the Korean War, the F-86F-40 was introduced with the same 6-3 wing, but with a 12" wing span extension on both wings plus re-introduced slats and a straight pitot tube. The Canadair Sabre Mk.6 (a.k.a. CL-13B) also reintroduced the slats,but not with the wingspan extension.

Lucky you. I'm 100% convinced you need a real, $200+ stick to even refuel. I've never been able to connect to the tanker for more than half a second as of yet.

I don't believe you're looking in the right place. What is it that you are showing us in your picture? Slats are high lift devices that are attached to the wings whose purpose is to energize the boundary layer of air over top of the wing surface at high AoA, producing lift. Ours has wing fences, which decrease the amount of span-wise airflow that would otherwise reduce the effective lift over the wing. Yes, I suppose the pilot will provide those.

It is slat-less.

What's so "below ED quality" about them?

He means torque as in prop wash, not torque as in moment or the gyroscopic effects from angular momentum that you're likely referring to. Don't know if those things are modeled or even need to be.

The F-86 has no such stall buzzer or light. Like in the P-51, the pilot must feel the subtle buffet. Though the plane has a smaller static margin than the P-51, it has no prop wash with which to contend, so physically flying the plane should be easier at combat speeds with the exception of G overshoot which happens more easily in this aircraft.

If you pull any positive G's you will hear the P-51 whistle. Hit F3 and if you turn hard enough, you'll hear it. It's awesome.

I have seen art from this before. Luckily in Canada, they teach us French in school. The illustrations are fantastic. Worth a look even if you cannot read French.

Chances are it would be the AIM-9B, at the time called the GAR-8. I don't know of any other variant of AIM-9 which the Sabre actually used to score kill with.

That's interesting, I hope so. It's a post-war F-86F so it would have the ability. We'll have to wait and see.

Well the -35 block of the F-86F was actually purpose-built to carry nukes and the cockpit screenshot says it's got controls for LABS. That's the only real difference between the F-35 and the F-30 that served in Korea. They might just not model that part though because, well, nukes.

You are correct, and this actually was the case. The training films for the aircraft taught the pilot to bow his head as the canopy closed because of this. Also later German-flown Canadair Sabres with larger ejection seats had a modified rail that moved the canopy up as well as back. What still needs to be corrected is the pitot tube. It isn't bent like it should be on all hard-wing F-86's.

Yup, I think we know and we don't mind :)

Fantastic news! :D Thanks for all your hard work, BST! And a MiG-15 to battle too? This is going to be great. I must say though, before the game is released (I know it's still subject to change), I'm pretty sure all F-86F's with non-slatted hard wings had the same bent pitot tube as the earlier designs shown here: Unfortunately, I'm just not savvy with the Wikipedia images which never open at the size they preview at, so here's a link) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:531st_Fighter-Bomber_Squadron_-_North_American_F-86F-35-NA_Sabre_-_52-5193.jpg#mediaviewer/File:531st_Fighter-Bomber_Squadron_-_North_American_F-86F-35-NA_Sabre_-_52-5193.jpg And another shot of an aircraft model:

Hopefully we'll get it with an update just like DCS P-51D got a Fw 190D-9 with a tweaked P-51D flight model so that the Mustang could have a historic opponent. Fingers crossed for the same deal here!

Sorry for my ignorance, but is the F-86F going to have an AFM as well? The screenshots look great so far!

Oh a bug? Okay I didn't really notice that one. I guess I'll keep playing around with the stick settings in the meantime.

First off, good job to all those who worked on the new F-15C AFM! It's amazing so far, and landing has never been so exciting! I'd like to know of any tips anyone has for IFR now that the flight model is tweaked up. I have a very simple AV8R stick and I'm finding it farrr more difficult to refuel my aircraft after the latest patch. I also noticed that the game does not steady your plane for you after contact, making things harder. Any help is appreciated! Thanks!

Yes, any news please! :)

Ah ok. Well that is interesting. Looks like we'll have to wait a little longer for up to date RWRs