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He got it for free to do a review, because he has 70k subscribers and Moza uses this as cheap marketing. We will get bunch of early reviews by people with no clue, and hopefully also a few by people with half or even a full clue.

More recent reviews I've seen were not much better and these kind of problems have been reported for their older headsets too. So it seems to be an issue that they don't really ever fix.

Because it is only good on paper?

That's good news. It's great to have different options, rather than just copies of mostly the same thing. According to the machine translation, it is not just bigger motors, but significantly bigger. So perhaps close to the FBBeast?

I don't think that this topic belongs here, really, as it has very little to do with the Q3, but is really just about USB extension cables. That said, get an active extension cable. But then you might still need to get lucky. These things are finicky and cables are not always of the best quality.

It can be preordered from a UK shop as well: https://abruzzi-official.co.uk/shop/?filter_brand=moza-flight

You can't buy the Winwing base yet anyway, and no release date is known. And the early reviews of the Moza at the expo are poor: https://stormbirds.blog/2024/07/01/fsexpo-retrospective-hardware/ So I would suggest just waiting a month or two at the least for the Moza bases to get into the hands of customers, to see how much progress they've made on the software by then, unless you desperately need a new (high-end) base (as then you might want to take the gamble). And by then we hopefully get more information about the Moza hardware, and possibly about the other options as well. Why rush to get something that potentially doesn't work very well (yet) anyway and could potentially be fairly poor value for money compared to the other options?

That looks like a mounting plate design drawing, but it should be possible to at least get the length and width by using a ruler to check how many mm on the screen makes for 60 mm in reality. Then you divide 60 by the number of mm's to get the real distance per mm of screen distance. Then you measure the length and width on the screen in mm's and then multiply that with the previously calculated number. That should be quite close to the real number. I'd do it, but I'm traveling and am ruler-less. But I'm sure that one of you can do it, otherwise I'll do it next week.

This could be caused by sitting in front of a big computer monitor and having the inside out tracking latch onto the picture on the monitor. You can try taping a piece of paper with a random QR code on it to the top of your screen, so it hangs in front of your monitor. Then the inside-out tracking can latch onto the QR code. If that works, you can try other solutions, like minimizing the game screen as much as possible or putting more stuff in your environment for the inside out tracking to latch onto.

I'll bet that they will keep offering the adapter if the base sells well, since I think that a lot of people will want to use it with a Warthog stick or a Virpil one.

I figured it out, those dimensions are from their sequential shifter. They almost certainly copied that page as a starting point and then didn't update the specs. Right now the specs are hidden from view, but they are in the HTML (including a mention of that sequential shifter). So those dimensions are not accurate in any way.

A 5700X3D or 5800X3D for sure. You might want to get a 7800XT or 4070 (super) as well for a solid GPU upgrade.

The Rhino works with Virpil grips and this one might too. We don't know anything about it yet.

Better toss Norton in the trash, where it belongs. Defender is better and sufficient.

This is just because the EU prices typically include a ~20% sales tax. You are taking the comparison a little too seriously. The point is just that there is room for a cut down variant for a substantially lower price.

For you, the biggest gain by far should be in the helicopters. I'm personally not very interested in that at the moment, but you might want to review how well it works there, for people who are into having their lift surfaces do all kinds of weird stuff.

Yes, that's what happens when companies stop improving their products, other companies pass them by and you should stop buying the stuff that used to be OK, based on a reputation that was perhaps deserved in the past, but not today. American car companies lagged behind a lot in reliability/durability. which is a lot of the smarter buyers went to Asian cars. Progress is not some magical thing that you get for free. It does take hard work from companies and as consumers, we need to reward the companies that do this hard work, and not companies that are content to sit back and coast. I don't understand what point you are making here. The argument was that things can be made pretty cheaply and you argued that there are huge tariffs and such that increase the prices a ton. You are not actually addressing that false statement that you made and that I disagreed with. It's a good metric, but certainly not the only metric. There is also a diminishing impact when volume goes up. When making very low quantity, the fixed costs weigh very heavily, but once volume goes up, it quickly becomes far less impactful. When making 10 vs 1000, the fixed costs make a huge difference in the costs per unit, but that is far less so when making 100k vs 1 million, even though in absolute numbers, the latter gap is far bigger. Yeah, and we may see a tightening of the belts, like the tech sector fired a lot of people after the COVID period, when their COVID growth turned out to be temporary. Hopefully the upswing lasts long enough for FFB to firmly establish itself in the market, and after the upswing ends, we stabilize at a pretty high level. But that's exactly the point I made. If everyone tried to make Ferrari's, the margins for high-tier cars would drop, while there would be a lot of money left on the table that one can get by selling cheaper cars. That's why I see a solid market for a cheaper FFB option. Not $110 cheap, but I definitely see room for something way cheaper than a full Moza FFB setup. I already argued for less powerful motors in the cheaper version (with less of a lever, so the impact on forces felt is not reduced as much as you would think), so the budget chassis needs to be less strong than the Moza AB9 base. The Moza base also uses expensive aluminium on the outside, so replacing that with plastic reduces cost. And a smaller all-in-one solution needs less material anyway. It all saves costs. It's not an unfair comparison when I'm arguing that they can now make a much better version of the FFB2, using that modern tech, without having to increase the price by a huge amount. You've got a whole extra $190 to pay for that extra R&D, materials, shipping and such. That is quite a bit of money. I think that it can be done. Note that you ignore my arguments that companies may be willing to sacrifice their margins in the short term, for a long term gain. That is just not true. You refuse to respond to what I actually argued. What I'm arguing is replacing the engine of that motorbike with one that costs way less, making the motorbike way smaller, and using cheaper materials. In other words, exactly what they do to make that Honda CB650R far cheaper.

It seems obvious that it will be heavier than a non-FFB joystick or throttle, but we have no specs yet. And some of the mounting options may be overbuilt enough for it to be no issue. But I'll let the early adopters run into all the issues.

I'd like to hear whether it overheats, how soon it overheats and how it deals with overheating. So just start pulling those g's like László 'Szatyi' Szatmári. And some testing with a warbird to see if it does all the expected things (stiffening up as speed increases, buffeting near the stall, etc). And some screenshots of the software that you get with it.

Probably even more so with these large bases, if you want to put it between your legs. I would expect options to come available pretty soon, because lots of people want to increase the size of the thing between their legs.

I agree. The buyers of the current iteration are the guinea pigs for this tech and only once they are confident they got it right, will they go for the lower end. It's the same for the simracing stuff, the cheaper direct drive options only came later as well.

It's thanks to people like you who can't keep it in their pants* that we get the early customer reviews. * Their wallet

Already trying to find an edge over the upcoming Winwing FFB base.

@4romeodelta You can also consider waiting for the new gen, where you should get more performance for the same money. It should come late this year or very early next year.

The EU price is higher due to the requirement to post prices including tax.