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Not necessarily, shipping can also differ by region, depending on when the ships deliver product to the regional warehouses. I wouldn't say so for now, as long as the discussion is mostly limited to one topic. But later on it is probably a good idea. Certainly once they have a bigger portfolio of flight gear.

Yeah, the 7800X3D is a poor CPU if you run important software that does a lot of work in 1 big batch. But as I've explained above, games are almost never like this, because they have a very limited time to draw a frame, and then start over doing the calculations for the next frame. So it's a lot of short jobs. The X3D-CPUs work very well for those. If you don't game, and run the big batch (often called 'productivity' software), then the 7950X and 14900 are indeed the fastest. And if you do both, then the 7950X3D is a very good compromise, that sacrifices a little in both, but is still very good at both. And the 14900 also works fairly well for those use cases, if we ignore the degradation and the power usage.

The 7900X3D has two 6-core chiplets, so for gaming, it's basically a 7600X3D (if GameBar works correctly or you manually make sure the game runs on the X3D-chiplet.) The 7950X3D has two 8-core chiplets, so for gaming, it's basically a 7800X3D. Given that price difference, getting the 7950X3D is a no brainer.

The only surprising thing about that is that GameBar recognizes DCS correctly by default. 8 cores is sufficient for just about every game, and the inter-chiplet latency has a bigger negative impact than any possible gain from extra cores. And the 3D-cache makes a bigger difference in games than the extra clock speed, which is why games should run on the X3D-chiplet.

Interesting that the base works with MSFS now. I wonder if he was using an FFB plugin for MSFS or whether the Moza software supports MSFS now.

Did someone say an FFB base?

The latest I've heard is that there is partial compatibility, with grip axes being treated as buttons. The Rhino had the same issue until they worked with Virpil to support the features that Virpil added beyond the Trustmaster stuff. I've not seen any info about Moza working on this.

@rapid They might just be really busy, also with the R12 price reduction. Perhaps they kick you to the head of the queue if you complain.

The language errors also suggests that Lionel McDermott is not this person's actual name.

The 3080 is twice as fast as the 2070 if the CPU is not a bottleneck, but the 1700x is a very weak CPU. The Ryzen 5600 is only $115 and would be a major upgrade, allowing the 3080 to shine. But if you had to choose, I would pick the 3080.

The yoke announcement from Virpil suggests that their FFB base is a pretty long way off:

My opinion is that the Rhino is currently the best overall package (taking into account the hardware, software, documentation, support for grips and the community). But there are definite downsides like the price, the manufacturer being just one guy, the materials used and general support by third parties. And the waiting list of course. None of these are necessarily dealbreakers, but it is definitely possible for it to be overtaken by others. If you get the Moza right now, you are essentially gambling that they will put in the effort to make the software good enough. I would personally just wait for them to do this, before committing to a purchase. And if you wait a bit, you may get more information about competitor products, like the Winwing FFB base. But not everyone is patient, of course.

We still got a little bit of useful info, like the lack of weapon effects.

Winwing will come out with a base and Virpil as well. And the FFBeast is a current option with more power than the Rhino.

FFB for sure. It's a game changer, while MFSSB is more of a personal preference thing, or something to get when you want to try to mimic an F-16. But the pilots didn't really seem to like the F-16 stick, and deflection was added for the production model, and increased for the F-22. And the F-35 has a FFB-style joystick where the desired deflection can be programmed in. So it seems to me that if you get the MFSSB, you are getting a dead-end design that was considered so good (/sarc) that it was only used for 1 plane. Of course, if people prefer it, then all power to them, but it doesn't excite me. All the extra possibilities of FFB do excite me.

I'd be surprised if people don't still have major issues until early 2025 getting the base to work with at least some of the promised games. And I expect that feature parity with the Rhino will take a lot longer still.

Apparently people have been getting their base: https://old.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/1f7g7sk/moza_ab9_base_software_issues/ And they are having software issues...

LOL, I hope you enjoy your empty clamp. Seriously though, I don't get why they didn't wait to ship it with the base, which they promised would ship any day now. But perhaps there is another delay.

@Nightdare That's not entirely true. There are people who want the new thing first. Preorders cater to them in particular. I'm fine with that, aside from the fact that these people very often have unreasonably high expectations. But I guess that fits with their desire to get the new thing first. @rapid No one asked you to retract anything. I'm not even sure who you are addressing.

No, preordering means that you gamble that the company can finish their product in time, that they can deliver on their promises, that they deliver on expectations that you have that they never actually promised, etc, etc. Ultimately, companies tend to treat delivery dates more as targets than hard promises. And you never know what you will actually get, until the product is in the hands of somewhat serious reviewers/customers, who put the product through its paces. The company is never going to honestly tell you the weaknesses of their product. I already warned people here in the past to not preorder unless they were willing to gamble: That said, I'm personally of the opinion that nobody should pre-order this base if they expect any guarantees and are not willing to take a big gamble, since the information provided by Moza is utterly insufficient to be confident that it works well enough to be value for money compared to the Rhino for any use case. You did order before my warning, but there is a reason why you regularly see people warn against preorders. The preorder life is the life of a gambler. This is a pretty weak complaint. If they don't ship those orders before yours, then you have nothing to complain about with regard to them encouraging others to order as well. And those people only have a reason to complain if they don't ship their base in 10 days. We have no idea what their internal logistics are. For all we know, they already have a lot of units ready to go, and are waiting for the software to be good enough before they ship out the hardware.

That's the preorder life.

@Baldrick33 They've already backported the fix to 23H2: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-branch-prediction-optimizations-are-now-available-for-windows-11-23h2-boosting-gaming-performance You can find it under optional updates.

They said that they would start shipping the orders that were placed earlier, first, so I have strong doubts that it'll actually be 10 days.

Unless we get another delay, they should actually start shipping in September. They didn't specify early/mid/late, or a date, so it's probably the 30th. At that point things should get interesting with the information we get.

@MAXsenna It's pretty typical for event setups to not be optimal for usage. They have other important considerations, like being able to pack things small for travel & being able to build things up and tear them down quickly. Pointing it out can be helpful to noobs who have no idea, but discussing mounting solutions would detract from actually discussing the product itself. And of course, briefly using it using an event is not at all a proper review, which takes days at the very least.