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Well clearly Nvidia, like most any company knows where to price their products in order to be the most profitable. At $100K apiece they’d make zero money and at $0 they’d also make zero money. Their competitors prices also aren’t much different. The prices are indeed quite insane and yet even at that level they fly off the shelves. The discussion keeps circling around the top 1% users 5090, the average graphics card isn’t really so egregious.

I’m as skeptical as the next person but I gotta admit it looks really good in FS2024 and Cyberpunk and very much needed in those games too. In FS2020 it looked pretty bad though.

PS it’s really hard to compare regional prices and economies because there are so many underlying differences. Yeah at first glance it might seem like Americans are rolling in cash and can buy everything easily and don’t pay any taxes. But we are also on our own financially compared to many other economies. In the US people have to pay for their own healthcare, pay or borrow money for an education. Medical debt is a thing and student load debt can be ruinous sometimes reaching into the $100Ks. We have to fund our own retirement and so on. Things that in other countries are payed for by all those taxes. I’m not trying to get into politics or imply one system is better than the other. But there’s a reality behind those seemingly small sticker prices.

Which MSRP? The US one or the regional one? I can’t imagine those would be the same. See like when the hype goes away all these here will sell at their US$ MSRP same as the direct price

In the US you won’t need to buy direct from the manufacturer in order to get any of these graphics cards at MSRP. When the rush dies down they’ll be available at retail stores and Amazon for the same price. Aren’t there stores like this in other countries? There are of course regional price differences due to exchange rates and VAT or whatever.

Do some countries just not have any legitimate retailers?

I don’t know if that would really have an effect but I figure TrackIR is an input device sorta like a mouse, it couldn’t hurt TrackIR is 120Hz. There is some thinking that having your monitor at a multiple of this can make the resulting image smoother. I can’t see any effect of this myself and I see you already tried setting 60hz on your screen. I have my refresh rate capped at 117 and get anywhere between that and perhaps 90FPS depending on the situation. I don’t detect and loss of smoothness either way.

Click-bait videos The 5-series launch is like the launch of every other graphics card. No surprises here… I also can’t quite fathom why people feel the need for having things like this right away. Like standing in line for iPhones and such. The guy here of course just wants one so he can get views. Any normal person can just wait, it’s not so hard.

Yes I would think clouds are an impediment to Electro Optical Sensors.

I’m using a similar system and my TrackIR experience is quite smooth. I’ve seen some people feel that syncing their monitor to TrackIRs 60 or 120 HZ makes things smoother but I can’t detect that myself. I also see you’ve tried 60Hz already. Plus it doesn’t seem to be a good use of your systems potential. Some things you could try if you haven’t already, Set DCS to Full Screen. Try Low Latency Mode On or Ultra (Ultra might have made my DCS crash). Set Windows Power Mode to High Performance

Yes when using G-Sync it’s best to turn off Vsync and set a cap in NCP at your monitor rate or maybe 2-3 frames below if you see any tearing. Set the DCS frame limiter to max ie Off.

I think all the modules have key commands for the rudder (like Z and X for the Hornet). Keep in mind most all the modern aircraft have a Fly By Wire auto-rudder which alleviates the need to control this in normal flight. The only time you’ll use it is taxi and maybe landing in a crosswind. The warbirds all have a rudder assist for anyone without that controller. I think some form of rudder assist setting might be in the works for helicopters although I don’t know how that would work since it’s a primary control unlike in fixed wing aircraft.

The trouble with that is screen tearing which I think competitive games just ignore in the quest for low latency. I’m not good enough that latency matters I understand the conventional wisdom with G-Sync is to turn off Vsync and avoid the latency, then cap your rate at or just below the screen refresh rate. If I cap right at 120 I get a little tearing hence the 117 setting. I set Low Latency in NCP to On, setting that to Ultra I think made DCS crash.

Yeah right at the moment the potential improvement wouldn’t be much. The only point of upgrading is to be ready for the future, and that’s only a so-so reason. DCS does take on a nice shine at 120Hz but getting that at the cost of quality, like enabling DLSS isn’t worth it IMO. Multi Frame Generation from a 5090 just seems like overkill. And any loss of quality doesn’t seem worthwhile at all.

In some situations it does exceed the refresh rate. In some it doesn’t. And DCS gets more demanding all the time. Or maybe DCS gets easier…? Maybe Vulkan lightens the load. Or maybe Vulkan allows ED to pack in more stuff and performance drops again lots can change year after year.

You gotta reach for a pretty odd example there. Good thing there wasn’t a Betty voice in the LEM that yelled PULL UP! PULL UP!

Right. That’s the natural orientation for a flight stick hence a good reason to use one. That’s what happens when you mess with someone’s instinctive reactions. There’s not a right or wrong answer for that one unless you wear a sword. You mean planet earth? Yes… The problem is, why would you? Maybe I’ll try driving on alternate sides of the road every day to broaden my horizons And that’s logical for such a control because it reflects exactly what the user is looking at. Just like a normal controller is oriented to the screen. Literally every controller in your daily life is oriented the logical way. Except in old video games…

I’m actually GPU limited with the 4090 so I can only assume I would see a boost in this game. Not much though I expect, all the tests seem to indicate just 25%. Not great. Plus over the lifetime of using that card things can change. Like I said I’m not entirely sold on the idea. I do also play other games where staying current with the graphics card is probably a help.

I’ll still submit that the Forward=Up orientation is the natural response. Obviously because if you just look at the controller and the screen they match one another. And that’s universally how every device with a screen and a joystick or d-pad or thumb stick works. Any controller for your TV remote, your car, computer, mouse, games, software etc. It’s universal*. And in many cases not adjustable because hardly anyone would do that. I get the part about being conditioned by old video games but in all likelihood those are the only players who invert this. The games listed there in that article are all nearly 30 old too. Yes training can accomplish anything but the trouble is you’d be conditioning a reflex that will end up being backward on so many other devices you can’t change. It’s too frustrating and for no reason. That’s why I bought my first joystick *I have a friend who’s an engineer with the space program, I’ll bet he knows the answer to the Apollo controller.

Well that’s just my experience here in the US. I can’t imagine that’s any different for other people here. Obviously I can’t speak for the whole world. I’m not totally sold on it yet but we’ll see. My usual thing is to just upgrade the GPU every cycle and sell my old card while it can still get a good price. Thus cushioning the bleeding edge blow. Bottom line a 5090 is still an improvement albeit a small one. And it will still be a boost in DCS. It’s either that or wait two more years… So how could Nvidia be engaged in price fixing without a monopoly? If their prices were artificially high you’d see AMD undercut them. Yet that competitor charges the same. “Demand will still be high because it's relative to supply, which everyone already knows Nvidia is manipulating to control the market.” PS that statement implies Nvidia has a monopoly otherwise how else would they “control the market”?

Well it has every time for me or the demand dies down and they’re available everywhere. No reason to expect that will be different this time. I’ll let you know. Nvidia doesn’t have a monopoly here although they do make a good product. Again both the RTX 4080 and equivalent AMD 7900 XTX sell at the same $999. If Nvidia is price fixing why is the AMD competitor just as expensive? And the RTX 4060 at $299 is actually less expensive than its AMD rival the RX 6700 XT at $479. Sure the price of the behemoth 5090 is eye watering but that’s not what the most common buyers are using. Those are like the top 1%ers.

Every time for me it has or the hype dies down and the card is readily available anywhere. I’ve never been completely unable to buy one at MSRP. For example, the wait for my 2080 Ti was about two months but I eventually got it from EVGAs queue. The 4090 I was able to buy instantly since that was maybe a year after launch. That’s been true for me over the last 12 years so I don’t see why that would change now. Hey if the card sucks then demand won’t be so high and they’ll be easier to find

Maybe it is just a me thing, but the majority of flight sim players probably don’t use a mouse and keyboard. Perhaps that’s part of the reason why. Sure, there’s nothing wrong about using any particular controller. It’s just a personal choice. Back to the topic… the problem you’d encounter like the OP states is that all these games or even modules here will handle keyboard inputs differently as that controller doesn’t represent a real life counterpart to emulate. It’s not just a matter of adapting or practice, it’s adapting to each game or module differently. In the long run you’re probably better off just using a flight stick and then that problem goes away.

I’ve purchased many of my graphics cards from such wait lists over the last 12 years. Never had any vendor back out of one. They eventually come through or I’ll end up finding the same price on Amazon that their direct e store charges. I’ve never paid over MSRP for any of them. Indeed I don’t personally see a need for using DLSS or Frame Generation (if it was supported) in DCS, just for a bump from 90FPS to 120, the loss in quality isn’t worthwhile to me. Now in FS2024 FG works really well plus it’s necessary as without it I’m CPU-limited in the 40s and with FG I get in the 80-90s. And I can’t discern any loss of quality there. FS2020 did not do as well. FG introduced this flickering on some textures and cockpit displays. Why FS24 is better? Is it the game or just a better version of DLSS but it looks great. Cyberpunk 2077 again needs DLSS plus FG to get nice settings out of it but it also looks really good, again I can’t see any quality difference when enabling this.

Oh sure, with enough effort humans can train themselves to do anything. But why put that much effort in for a video game? There’s no point, you could just buy a simple joystick. Something like 20-25% of players invert the Y axis so it’s not just me bottom line if you’re a non-inverted player using a mouse or keyboard to fly with is going to be very difficult. It’s not just the flying, it’s when you fly to “aim” the plane when shooting. You’re fighting a lifetime of computer use reflexes. Note the default setting is not “inverted” meaning the majority of players probably don’t alter it. The topic is of course rather widespread in gaming so it’s not just me. https://gamecola.net/2020/10/first-person-view-can-you-tell-which-way-is-up/#:~:text=I classify non-inverted controllers,it's because there are people