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I have to imagine that’s what this card is meant for, it’s overkill for anything else. Also the customer for this likely owns a 4K screen already. And they aren’t extravagant anymore. Or sell one for a free upgrade I see these selling for more than I paid for mine.

I wouldn’t either really. I usually just auction them and have never had anyone buy one for more than I paid for it. That would be nuts. If somebody does actually do that though on eBay you’re bound by the agreement to sell it afaik. Crazy there are a lot of 4090s with very high prices on there. Caveat emptor…

I don’t think they go on sale until the 30th at least not legitimately. So of course I don’t have one (yet?) Let’s see when my Best Buy wait list number comes up. Yeah it’s like 30% better maybe for… the 4090 accounting for inflation is actually $1690 so ($1999/$1690) so 18% more expensive for I don’t see the need for one honestly and multi frame generation? For a card like that?! Yeah sure I need a fake 400 FPS! Watch I can maybe sell my 4090 for $2,349.99 ($550 more than I paid for it) and get a free upgrade https://www.ebay.com/itm/296947004295?_skw=rtx+4090+asus+tuf&itmmeta=01JJ82MVKDHY53PZ87G78QFZPE&hash=item45236bb387:g:wmQAAOSw~zhnYyXa&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKlXQaHQHp4KvFfJZZQhKsj9MVJvlF8UcEVdvDL9oDbSj1C4QPvHMVfAnhM%2BK8faNPvnHgA0trShCs3KYzy0YF7Fd9XokRty3AUNv9DgtDv0efaA1ZZbaSDMuhpay0qSLgxvUxjlE%2Bd6uahmdEog1wJ8ipZt%2B8wE4ovPgXS45KJluOz0B4gEa1iI5kf30xjOmBx8y20v%2Br3kgff%2FKYth2kEPu2lHkoNHfJI4KtyAjP6zipsD%2BH6Daok2ldNhJZ1iNrxIh4PzTTG68zq9OoEoFpgJ9zeSS%2B6Pcp4RO2zROmAvOQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABFBM8rnTgpJl

I’ll post a receipt for my $1,999 (plus tax!) RTX 5090. I’ll buy one just to end this silly discussion. It will be worth it Then I’ll sell it on eBay for $3,000

There you go again confusing one product for another

How is this “artificially low”? You can actually buy the card for this price, it’s not fictional. I’m not, you just did here

You seem confused about two things. That the base “starting at” MSRP from Nvidia doesn’t apply to all these other vendor cards MSRP. They’re apples and oranges. And that wanting something now vs later is going to affect price. All these hugely inflated prices you see are from “pre sellers” ie “scalpers”. A legit store will be selling these at MSRP No argument there about the performance part. As far as we know… The prices for the 4080 and 5080 are actually identical at $999 arguably the 5080 is even less expensive than its predecessor when you account for inflation. It doesn’t seem to represent the same boost per generation as the previous card though. Yeah I don’t think so either

This is the same price as the Asus. I don’t see the TUF model sold anymore. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-gaming-slim-24g-24gb-ddr6x-pci-express-4-0-graphics-card-black/6573906.p?skuId=6573906 Oh don’t worry I’ll let you know when I get a reply on the 5090. They don’t “bait and switch” their prices at Best Buy, that’s actually a legit retailer here. They’re about the only B&M store that survived Amazon putting everyone else out of business.

I don’t imagine Nvidia specifies MSRP for all the other vendors and all the versions they sell. If anyone wants the low priced Nvidia model they can certainly buy it for MSRP if they’re willing to wait. Your confusion is that you think this base price should apply to everyone else’s model. I’m not really interested in the 5090 but I clicked the Best Buy “Notify Me”. So I’ll let you all know when I can buy it just so you know…

That was the price at the time. That image was still on my Asus wishlist page. Lots of retailers like Best Buy will have a price match guarantee so they’ll meet anyone else’s deal. I bought from them instead of Asus because I had a gift card there. But they were both the same price. Along with similar cards from MSI Gigabyte etc. Like this one https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-gaming-slim-24g-24gb-ddr6x-pci-express-4-0-graphics-card-black/6573906.p?skuId=6573906

You’re not comparing the same products. Vendors will have different MSRP for all their models and so will Nvidia. This card https://rog.asus.com/us/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-astral/rog-astral-rtx5090-o32g-gaming/ is not going to have the same MSRP as this one. Which starts at $1,999. Notice how they say “starts at” https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/50-series/rtx-5090/ But this one will be the same price as the above. Because it’s the same product. And if you want these low priced models you’ll need to click “Notify Me” and wait. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-32gb-gddr7-graphics-card-dark-gun-metal/6614151.p?skuId=6614151 If you just gotta have it right now, then you’ll pay this! https://www.ebay.com/itm/286264357761?_skw=nvidia+geforce+rtx+5090&itmmeta=01JJ7PGP2DB1MGKEA7FC0AMHXZ&hash=item42a6af7381:g:UM4AAOSw-MdnhAEl&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKmIsZYXU%2FxrRbSIdbBtA6rkc17CyNIbwn4LVJh6R8EP6mNwbe0sdJDN04%2B6wx5Af9bWjr2W8RwJn%2FMmYJ4pdNpyLzfyC0I0Y0jGo5LcF045ntKz3Env9ljA4%2Fy%2BhgwRgFsMVkCkj1mUlWuiwBjLICZI0%2BohBRsr9OzolKobOljA%2B3mNWHhGUSJsvxZwOTZwc2q%2BIiy34%2ByyomckQLCgDuCrtrlCg%2FEiP3foQ1Sr7J2dKNABnk3JLhGfP%2F04Ja%2B9KzDGM9T3Ctu1zGOQGllzDoQhVVhoox2hWwr9uip1MoDjxg%3D%3D|tkp%3ABFBMpuHC9pFl

$1,599 was the MSRP on the base Nvidia card, not this Asus TUF OC version. I’m paying extra for “military grade aluminum” and fancy fans You’re not comparing like products. The next screenshot is its MSRP direct from Asus. Lots of the other vendor models were at similar prices. Best Buy carried the base Nvidia cards for MSRP if I recall.

Indeed my post said that was several years ago, i.e. prior to 2016. I never claimed to have purchased the 4090 tax free. I guess the phrase “all those cards” was perhaps confusing but anyone in the US here would understand this didn’t apply in 2024. The situation was indeed totally unfair to “brick & mortar” stores. Places like Best Buy basically acted as showrooms for Amazon.

It’s the Circle of Life… Get gouged by the graphics card market. Make it back from the stock market. “the S&P 500 hitting all-time high again, as technology shares such as Oracle and Nvidia rallied on artificial intelligence optimism” https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/21/stock-market-today-live-updates.html It’s funny to figure that the same market forces that are spiking those GPU prices are the same that’s pushing stocks higher

It’s totally possible to buy these at MSRP. Here’s my receipt from Best Buy for the 4090. All you need to do is be patient and wait.

Those must be “scalper” prices Price from a legit retailer in the US compared to eBay https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5080-16gb-gddr7-graphics-card-gun-metal/6614153.p?skuId=6614153

You make it sound like Nvidia has a monopoly on the market and is engaged in price fixing. They aren’t the only company that makes graphics cards but they do command a lead in this particular segment. PC gamers are split 75% Nvidia 17% AMD and 8% Intel. AMD makes 100% of the GPUs for the PS and Xbox consoles though and those are about 50% of the whole gaming market. Comparing prices between Nvidia and AMD reveals them to be about equal kind for kind. The most common card is an RTX 3060 at $290 and its AMD equivalent RX 6600 sells for $200. The RTX 4080 and AMD 7900 XTX both weigh in at about $1,000. So there is competition here. Sure, they are usually oriented around some particular segment. What’s amazing to realize is how many people probably own a chunk of Nvidia. Assuming they are allocated correctly the largest segment they’ll be in is a large cap US stock or S&P Index fund. The largest holdings in those will be the current “Magnificent Seven”, Alphabet (Google), Amazon, Apple, Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia and Tesla. So Nvidia is probably one of the largest holdings that some 55 million people have. Every one of those companies is striving, as you decry to “squeeze as much dough from the market as possible” and that money is funding millions of retirements and sending kids to college and so on.

I saw that. Yeah it’s pretty good.

Wags mentions it here

My favorite false advertising was Nvidia’s claim that Dynamic Super Resolution “provides 4K 2160x3840 quality on any screen” Literally telling people it will put more pixels on their monitor I notice that’s been taken down, maybe somebody sued them

An interesting point although as I see it that theory would tend to justify the higher prices. It implies that regardless of price there are only so many customers for a certain product. So the market for graphics cards is limited to people who own a compatible PC and lowering the price would not increase demand. Unless you consider scalping etc. Therefore Nvidia would have less to gain by lowering prices and selling higher quantities as could be done with something like game consoles. The demand for crypto mining sure seems like the very definition of infinite demand. You can literally use these to make money and there’s no upward limit for that. A Dividend Reinvestment Plan? No perhaps I wasn’t clear. Many investors (in the US) like me are into mutual funds. They own shares of that which in turn owns a variety of equities or other securities. It’s a better option than directly owning the stock for many reasons. 60% of Americans have such accounts mainly for retirement. So yes that doesn’t apply to literally everyone but it’s a very large segment. The profits made by companies like Nvidia benefit huge numbers of ordinary people, not just a “handful of super-rich guys”

Your posts come across as if you don’t understand much of it, so… You should see how much this can work for the average investor. Not just super wealthy people. The average US worker (or the kind that can afford PC games) will retire on what they make in the market, continually reinvesting those dividends over decades. Companies that lose money certainly don’t help anyone.

Yes it is. That’s Econ 101. Did they teach economics where you went to school? Do you remember trying to buy toilet paper during the pandemic? And that’s millions of people. The money those people earn then funds so many other things. Every market is influenced by the same forces. Seems like you need to educate yourself on how the economy works, you’d be less upset and confused.

My DCS takes 30 seconds to start up. I’m greeted by a “15 Years of DCS” splash screen and a progress bar. Seems ok to me

From an economic standpoint it doesn’t matter who the customers are, they’re still buyers. Supply and demand are interrelated. Supply is always finite and demand is infinite. If they were priced higher they wouldn’t sell out and vice versa. Right, all you have to do to get a good price is wait. If you just gotta have anything right away you’ll pay a premium. That’s how every market works including this one. There’s nothing cynical or nefarious about the pricing. If anything they are initially priced too low which is why there’s a shortage. Price is just a rationing mechanism and the substitute for a more restrictive price is something else like a waiting list. Such as standing in line for a sellout show. Every company tries to maximize profit unless they’re incompetent. If AMD could create such demand for their products they would do the same. In the larger scheme of things everyone in the economy benefits from companies being profitable.