SharpeXB

Sure. Lots of us grew up in an era before computers and survived. Go out and get some exercise. Kids today are mostly obese from spending too much time with screens and devices. Think about the heath benefits from expensive graphics cards

But nobody has to buy anything. Particularly luxury items like gaming PCs. Parents could buy their kids a PlayStation. Or a soccer ball. Whatever they can afford. You’re confusing wants with needs. A graphics card isn’t food or medical care.

A kid doesn’t need a new PC. That’s a funny definition of poverty

Does your testing reproduce anything like the statistics above? Those seem to reveal the problem quite clearly.

In my logbook Hornet: Deaths 438 Ejections 42 = 9.5% M-2000C Deaths 102 Ejections 52 = 51% Big difference.

Yeah I had this same problem using W10 with older games, it’s a real pain.

This one is just amazing. And every so often it goes on sale for half this price. https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-48gq900-b-gaming-monitor

Oh the humanity… But really the point is electronics were just as expensive back then but did far less for what you were paying. And that article was from 2016. That computer package would be $4,200 today. For a machine that just sent emails and surfed the primordial internet. For what you pay today computers do a lot more and are more accessible to everyone. If I wanna be all woke about the plight of the average person, the poorest individual today still owns a smart phone. Ponder that

How true, lest we forget… https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/technology-has-advanced-so-rapidly-that-a-laptop-computer-today-is-96-cheaper-than-a-1994-model-and-1000x-better/

Absolutely! Just realize YouTubers only want hits. They’ll sensationalize everything. Then forums like this are all full of enthusiasts with these extreme rigs and such. That type of hardware isn’t really necessary to play any PC game including DCS which is actually quite mild in its requirements. This topic here revolves around a $2,000 card that only 1% of the gaming audience will buy. Then something else worth noting about enthusiasts is that there are two kinds of gamers. People who buy PCs to play games. And people who buy games to play with their PC. The second category lives to screw around with their hardware as a hobby in itself but that doesn’t mean it’s necessary just to play a game. Plus people like to complain a lot and frankly on forums you only see problems, yeah surfing around here makes DCS look like one giant bug fix. Constantly yearning for content is another enthusiast affliction. The truth is any of the modules in this game have enough depth to keep you entertained for years even if they never received another update. Extreme gamers spend so many thousands of hours in a game they’ll actually run out of stuff to do and find every flaw in it and continually need more. That’s not the case for the vast majority of players.

This can be a huge problem in older games that only use the joy# from Windows. That order can change every time you restart the PC. DCS uses a controller ID# so it shouldn’t be an issue here.

The first PC I used to play DCS on cost almost as much as the one below but had the computing power of a smartphone today (ok maybe not quite). All you need to do in order to run games on low to mid range systems is turn down the settings. And avoid exotic hardware like high res or high refresh displays and VR.

Resold 4090s are also getting very good prices too right now. I imagine those prices will fall when the 5090s become readily available. Yet with the small incremental gain from the new card the 4090 represents a decent value and so might continue to command high prices. The cost/performance statistic is certainly has validity but a real world transaction involves the trade-in.

Are you using DSR to downsample and then DLSS to upscale? Seems counterproductive.

I can hardly recall ever just being damaged by any missile when flying the Hornet. It always seems like I’m killed. In the M-2000C it’s much more probable to be just damaged. Or so it seems. I’ve never done any sort of testing though so who’s to say if anything’s wrong.

Right. Technically it’s “upscaling” but DLUS doesn’t sound sexy My limited use of this seems to reveal that it’s probably better at turning 40 FPS into 80 than it might be at turning 20 into 80. But like I mentioned earlier it does work very nice in FS2024 and Cyberpunk. Those are the only two I’ve tried it in.

Seems like a fair observation that upgrading to a 5090 isn’t too worthwhile for someone that already owns a 4090. But for anything less it could be. Another thing to consider is that the market for used 4090s is quite robust. I see bids that are actually higher than what I paid for mine although I doubt that will continue when the 5090s become more available. Still the real upgrade cost includes your trade-in.

That seems like a silly trade-off when you’re already getting 120 FPS

Yes, like this https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/steam/

If the free trials are something you really want, you can always convert your Steam modules to stand-alone.

Well you don’t even need the 5th gen cards to get the improved DLSS 4 FG just the multi FG which at least now seems like overkill on a card as powerful as the 5090.

Oh absolutely. My first DCS machine was rocking a Radeon HD 4850 which priced out at $199. Right. The average PC gamer isn’t using a $2,000 graphics card. And again half the market is using a $500 game console.

Ok so 47% = basically half. The point still remains. I don’t think customers are being priced out of the market by a single high priced piece of hardware that’s 1/2% of the total base. The average PC gamer is using a $300 graphics card.

When worrying about the game industry just remember half the market is using consoles and only 1% is using hardware like the 4090. It’s easy to get a skewed impression of what the average player is when looking at a forum like this.

Well clearly Nvidia, like most any company knows where to price their products in order to be the most profitable. At $100K apiece they’d make zero money and at $0 they’d also make zero money. Their competitors prices also aren’t much different. The prices are indeed quite insane and yet even at that level they fly off the shelves. The discussion keeps circling around the top 1% users 5090, the average graphics card isn’t really so egregious.