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I'll try one last time, watch this video (which I've linked before): https://youtu.be/KZAUb9iA5TM?t=11 And now, please do try and enlighten me about that "less than a second" burn time of MANPADs, okay? Or is this video fake maybe?

I'm just going to stop, you're misreading everything I write and change it to make it fit your agenda.

That's not evidence, period. That another air force that may do things differently, you can't just assume these things. What if they were out of munition and had TIC and did a show of force, all possibilities that you never considered. Strange, when I look at footage from different MANPADs, like Igla, I see that they have a burn time quite a bit longer than the Stinger. Weird how this works, actually looking stuff up... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZAUb9iA5TM We see the missile literally one second, we don't know the altitude of the aircraft and you're talking about burn time. You're so oblivious it's hilarious. No it isn't this is IR, hot plumes will look bigger than they do in visible light.

Except this isn't "evidence", this is you taking data from an unrelated conflict involving another air force, which may have difference procedures and may be trained differently, and twisting it to fit your agenda. No you haven't, you've just been changing it. And how is it that it is "unlikely" the F-15 simply flew low, for whatever reason, and was in the WEZ of MANPADs, but all these other theories, including them "missing" a MiG-29 or the footage being somehow faked are treated almost factual. It makes no sense. I didn't claim anything, show me where I did. It's just the theory that doesn't involve other fighter jets that were completely ignored, modified AAMs shot from trucks or faked footage. Occam's razor and all that...

You have no proof for anything that you're saying here. If you're so sure of your opinion why not back it up? Do you know if the F-15 flew high? Where has the contractor said it was an R-73? Why would you believe him? What aircraft would have launched that R-73? Why wasn't it detected and shot down way before getting to the F-15? In the end you're as clueless as anyone here, you went from claiming it makes no sense at all to it being a SAM, fake all together and now it's supposed to have been another aircraft.

Heaters generally don't have an INS so there really isn't a way to implement target memory, usually there is some mechanism by which the missile tries to reacquire after a lost lock but while that is happening inputs from the autopilot are usually ignored so the missile wouldn't maneuver.

I just love how we're at the point where another aircraft was directed by the FLIR and then shot down the F-15 but the simple solution that the F-15 was flying low and was hit by a MANPAD is somehow complete madness...

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And had you actually read those you would have found this: "US Department of Defense announced on Apr 2, 2012, BAE Systems, Nashua, N.H., has been awarded a $366,547,000 firm-fixed-price contract for 70 Digital Electronic Warfare Systems ( DEWS)/Common Missile Warning Systems (CMWS) and spares; three DEWS/CMWS test stations and associated spares; and data. Location of performance is Nashua, N.H. Work is to be completed by Nov. 31, 2018." So the F-15SA (which could well be an S or C as was mentioned before) does actually not have one...

You claimed it's common knowledge that the strike eagle has a MWS, I don't think I need to proof myself to you.

Again, not a source. Have you actually tried looking for info anywhere else except that article. Because if you did you would see that you find nothing on that topic, that page is the only place where it is mentioned. If that enough to convey you, okay... Maybe he's popping them preemptively? Why are you so stuck on your side of the story? Is is that hard to believe? What are you expecting? A huge explosion, shattering the plane in an epic fireball? Again, look at MANPAD intercepts, they look a lot like this...

No it doesn't. Link a source if you know better. It's not an inert warhead, there is an explosion visible...

That's not a source, it doesn't even state what system is being used. I can't find anything on the SAs having a MAWS anywhere... What is a largely inert warhead if I may ask? There is clearly an explosion, MANPADs don't have huge warheads, look at other footage of MANPADs hitting aircraft, it looks exactly the same. Of course it makes sense if he was unaware...

Can you provide a source where it says they are fitted with MWS? I don't get why you think it looks like test footage, are you implying the missile and the explosion is shopped or what? And for the footage cutting off, the plane didn't seem all that damaged after the hit, it might have been able to continue flying for quite a while, out of the sensors range. It only makes no sense if you're trying really hard for it to make no sense.

It's not burning up, he's lighting the afterburner.

You don't know how high he was, it makes a lot of sense if he was flying in MANPAD range, which can be quite high for modern designs. Why would he fly low? We don't know, could be a ton of reasons. What do you mean by promo video?

That comment makes no sense...

It's highly likely the pilot was unaware of the missile. The flares could well have been preemptive, generally you don't fly straight with a missile inbound.

Pilot seems to enter afterburner and deploy flares shortly before the missile (probably manpad) strikes. Not really a lot known about this yet, whether or not he made it out.. More info: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen-security-warplane/saudi-led-coalition-warplane-crashes-in-yemen-saudi-statement-idUSKBN1EW0NV It was an F-15E as two pilots were rescued by SAR.

What's wrong with the ET? And the 77 (especially the one modeled in the Sim) doesn't come close to the C5.

People who complain about OP AIM-120s now will have a bad day once ED actually gives them proper guidance, drag and fuse modelling.

And there's also a reason why you don't see any newly developed AAMs using SARH. It's old technology, ARH is superior in pretty much every way.

How is that relevant to this thread?

It isn't, the 20 seconds takes into account operating the various systems, settling time for the radar, gyro spin-up for the missiles and a couple other things. These older SAMs don't have rapid reaction times, the SA-15 can do 5 seconds at its best though, just like in the sim.

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