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Which means you agree with what I said right from the start if you read between the lines, this is what I said ... you literally claimed that VRM phases on a board have no impact on overclock performance, which is just a blatant lie ... ... and then you back-paddle and add the "in any meaningful way" phrase to your sentence which wasn't there before and this gives your criticism of my initial statements a new meaning. Atleast you learned to express yourself precisely. The amount of VRM phases have an impact on overclock performance, you got it. Good that you don't disagree with what I said anymore, because what I said was right all along. Cute how you've tried to portray me as being wrong though when it really was you being wrong all the time Mr. 5.1 Ghz pro overlock master. It's my honor. Nice try shifting the blame although I've exposed you but who was it again attacking others, claiming they are wrong when instead he is wrong? Oh I remember - it was you.

If theres no alternative, especially for SteamVR and Pimax then ... Vulkan now in 2021 or so. I know, I was elaborating why the numbers "Naruto" got made me so suspicous in the first place considering DCS VR. The performance jump seemed too good to be true from 1080TI to 2080TI.

You don't have another HMD than Rift right? I mean for some VR SLI seems to be working in SteamVR for example (which Pimax builds on). If this isn't implemented or atleast planned to be by now I don't know why. Yes, this definitively sounds like change to me. When the first big wave of Rifts were used for DCS with 1080TI people couldn't reach higher than 1.4 or so for ASW to be enabled, not to speak of 90 FPS fluently. If you know how much stronger the 2080TI is stronger than a 1080TI on average it's atleast an indication if SLI has impact or not. This all starts to smell like it's time for a Kingpin 2080TI.

Nah, I edited my post because I misunderstood the post of Ranma initially and rephrased accordingly. After all I'm no one attacking people for no reason or out of envy. If I would have intended to "save my face" I would've just deleted it. But it does sound quite similiar to the post I made after it doesn't it? Doesn't look like deleting to "save my face" to me. I don't need to take back the statement about DCS pulling more idiots the more popular it gets, I just don't aim at Ranma like initially. People like you on the other hand who don't know about VRM phases and how overclocking works on the other components of the board but try to defame others as kind of "overclock newbies" although they have the better arguments to make themselves look better than they are are idiots per definition indeed. Cheers boy. I hope you learned something this time.

Read the rest of the thread he posted this in, you might see that this is the only post he tested this mod in. He still has high performance even without the mod. And so much on ignoring this part of my previous post: "Assuming this dude doesn't talk shit - why would he? - he is having these fps on max settings, even with AA and a pixel density of 2.0. To me it doesn't sound legit to claim that only one 2080TI is capable of this performance. Pixel density 2.0, AA, max settings and these fps? Did something change with the Oculus software that PD 2.0 isn't as demanding as it used to be? I remember people maxing out on a 1080TI at low DCS settings and not even reaching nearly constant 90 FPS at like 1.4 or 1.5 or so, and this increases exponentially. PD 2.0 is hugely more harsh on the hardware than just 1.4 or 1.5. Not even starting to talk about the low versus high DCS settings and AA ..." How do you explain this performance with a single 2080TI? I'm genuinely interested. The jump from a single 1080TI to a single 2080TI doesn't justify the jump from PD ~1.4 to 2.0, low to high DCS settings (maybe turning on AA for some) and FPS above of 40 or 45+ most of the time in low level flight. I am not the only one which is atleast a bit suspicious about this performance am I? Edit: Yeah, look at post #22 which I already posted. It's without the mod, whatever the mod does.

Play around with Left Alt + Enter option once you're in DCS. It switches between windowed (fake fullscreen) and "real" fullscreen mode.

I actually took the time to understand others correctly and edited my post accordingly. Can't say others are able to actually read and comprehend what I wrote but try to put words into mouth of others which were never there or ignore what I've wrote before. Edit: Let me add this, maybe you are able to then read it this time (quote from post #33): Originally Posted by Ranma13 Talking about VRM phases, ... without explaining what they are is not really helping. It does help when I have put it into the context that ASUS is marketing their boards with false claims and misleading you to cash in on people. For the sake of explaining it: there is not a need for it since he didn't specifically ask for it and doesn't need to know it if he doesn't even overclock much. But prevent him from buying a marketing gag? Yes it helps.

Are you this stupid? I explained to him why I don't recommend the ASUS board, it was not about teaching him what VRM do but explaining why I don't recommend it. How is this wrong? Tell me. No, you buy boards with high quality components to actually achieve higher than 5,1 GHZ. If you'd win the silicon lottery with a chip which would be able to hit 5,4 at a kind of healthy voltage you will only achieve this with the right board and not with a fake 8 phase ASUS VRM. Keep misleading people on the internet. Do you think the more expensive boards cost more money just for fun or maybe because they have higher quality components which can sustain more voltage and heat? Into what does more stable voltage and less temperature sensitive components translate into? Ah - higher clockspeeds.

As a rule of thumb: You'd get an AMD Ryzen system if you're looking for the best bang of the buck. You'd get an Intel system if you're more looking for very high to extreme performance. Since you will not overclock you can take any big or bigger manufacturer for the boards, MSI, Gigabyte, ASRock, ASUS and so on. You need to check if the CPU socket on the board does match with the socket the CPU is made for. For Intel CPUs the boards you'd get would be socket 1151 (LGA 1151), for AMD CPUs it is AM4 right now. That's about the best descriptions I've seen, yes.

DCS isn't a game. Even the name already says it: DC Simulator. Yes this is a difference other than just the name, guess why you need and always needed way more powerful systems than "gamers". Coffee sucks.

Not really, you know when you research before you buy you usually don't get fu ked over. And who would drink coffee?

Pimax initially aimed for a budget of about 400 000$ afair but the kickstarter campaign went through the roof to over 4 200 000$. Also those who ordered a Pimax in November now get their order numbers in the heights of about 12000. When one Pimax sells for about 800$ that is 9 600 000$ for them. And this is only Pimax. Where does your negativity come from? Just leaving this here.

Because you don't need to. Some headroom is subjective. For you headroom is more into the range of +100 or +200W? What if newer hardware pulls more power? What if he, somewhere down the timeline, decides to get another card? Then he has to buy a new PSU which costs money and time and has a spare PSU lying around and then has spend more money in the end. Why not spending 50$ more on a 3000$ build? It does help when I have put it into the context that ASUS is marketing their boards with false claims and misleading you to cash in on people. For the sake of explaining it: there is not a need for it since he didn't specifically ask for it and doesn't need to know it if he doesn't even overclock much. But prevent him from buying a marketing gag? Yes it helps. Mate, the thread creator said that he needs the computer for virtual machines, no one else talked about it. So what are you on?

Does this imply outside of this "special VR SLI mode" SLI can't work in VR or can it but it isn't ideal? Maybe he is using this. But for certain is that NVidia has worked or is working on bettering the VR performance through SLI (now NVLink). https://steamcommunity.com/app/250820/discussions/0/405692758700994356/?ctp=2 Here people are delivering their results with the VR SLI test tool of SteamVR and there are people who used it and happenend to have a big performance increase. This is from early 2016, literally 3 years ago. Since we know that the Pimax API is working on top of SteamVR somehow (I don't have my system yet) I wouldn't dismiss the thought that Pimax can "easily" implement VR SLI "support". And if they could do this "easily" they most certainly will do it since these Pimax guys are actually the ones who understood things very early on. Even if it happens that they don't implement something (in the future), which I doubt, there still could be workarounds or mods using the NVidia Control Panel and/or SteamVR to actually achieve the goal. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3754003&postcount=15 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3754569&postcount=22 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3754695&postcount=25 "Now with the VR mod in DCSbeta, I was able to increase MSAA to 4X and SAA to 1.5 with max settings and it stayed mostly at 47FPS in Caucus and 45 in Persian Gulf. Viewing heavy populated ares it dropped to about 40 - 43 FPS." and "With a PD of 2.0". I don't know about you but SLI means an performance increase over the possible performance of one card, not "SLI only counts when you get like 60% more performance" or such. Even if you have a performance increase, you can argue about if it's worth it for the money or not, for let's say only 10 or 15% then SLI does work. Assuming this dude doesn't talk shit - why would he? - he is having these fps on max settings, even with AA and a pixel density of 2.0. To me it doesn't sound legit to claim that only one 2080TI is capable of this performance. Pixel density 2.0, AA, max settings and these fps? Did something change with the Oculus software that PD 2.0 isn't as demanding as it used to be? I remember people maxing out on a 1080TI at low DCS settings and not even reaching nearly constant 90 FPS at like 1.4 or 1.5 or so, and this increases exponentially. PD 2.0 is hugely more harsh on the hardware than just 1.4 or 1.5. Not even starting to talk about the low versus high DCS settings and AA ...

It can run an upgrade, but not a good upgrade. The platform itself with the CPU is as weak as the GPU. But the platform is more important if you have to decide on one of them at a time. Yes. Sure there is a price difference. Also do the 500£ include cooling already or you have spare money for it? Depends on what you're aiming for. I5 highclocked is enough for a Rift (8600K/9600K), for a Pimax let's say or other future VR headsets you better get an I7 or above. The strongest you can get for your budget with the Rift or even Pimax in mind. The price is a good orientation for strength most of the times. You'd get his results obviously, so yes. The chipset is on the board, getting a new platform means getting a new board with a more modern chipset, modern socket for a new CPU, modern interfaces. For a new (and better) CPU you need a new board with 1151 socket in case of going the Intel route, AM4 socket in case of AMD route.

The comment, at least from my side, was you can get higher than 2666 Mhz clocked RAM. It depends on if you want to overclock your CPU and if yes how far? Going with the specified 2666 Mhz will not overclock the memory controller of the CPU which translates into a little bit more headroom for overclocking. If you dont overclock or just for 100 to 200 Mhz you can get higher than 2666 Mhz RAM which translates into a bit more bandwidth to work with for the CPU. There's a lot to talk about this kind of statement: What is "great power effiency" for him? Or "overclocked speeds"? It's all subjective. There's also this: "Now let’s get to the critical aspect, the VRM. It has a magnificent 4 phase design using..." A 4 phase VRM is a literal joke for overclocking, and also the fact that ASUS was selling boards as an 8 phase VRM when in reality they were only 4 phase is worth to note too. I wouldn't support such a marketing bullshit with giving them my money. The EVGA Z390 DARK has 16 phase VRM for example, that's a magnificient VRM. He also puts this ASUS board on place 1 in his list when it's actually the one which has the worst reviews of all the 5 ... and then even better: The EVGA Z390 on the last place but with better reviews, but the best is his con on this board: No RGB :lol: Good lord, this dude is probably sponsored by ASUS in some way and/or a hardcore RGB kiddo who cares more about how his computer looks than how it does perform or work. You can get higher RAM clocks on the other boards aswell. Burger King or McDonalds also aren't the companies which automatically make the best burgers in the world but have the biggest marketshare/most marketing, it's similar here.

Heh they keep bringing out new configurations. I also see different cards for Germany than you it seems. Then you probably could order from their mainpage. All the cards are almost identical, the highest price card is the fastest. Choice on you.

Not 100% true. If you're running out of RAM, if Windows is using its pagefile, you are flying a very heavy multiplayer mission and running a HDD you will get nasty microstutters at some time. "Loading" does also occur whilst flying, especially when new terrain gets rendered once you crossed an invisible border.

Upgrade CPU > GPU, almost regardless of resolution. Get a better CPU. You can have ingame loading (times) if you run out of RAM or Windows is using its pagefile. And this you will feel very much on a HDD. Shouldn't be much of a concern if you don't fly Multiplayer since only those missions there reach up to above 16GB RAM usage. But a HDD and 16GB RAM or less and Multiplayer? You will feel it, just a matter of time and hitting the right (or wrong) missions.

Well yes, it's not like the GPU gets unloaded just because you press pause for a second or two. That would be bad "logistics". This actually screams GPU bottleneck, it really does.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3408608&postcount=40 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3753297&postcount=10 https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=201454&highlight=SLI To me it doesn't look like ED "has to implement" something. Optimization? Yes maybe. Support in general? Why, since it already works?

Depends on how much wattage your PSU can handle right now and also which connector it has. How strong is your PSU? I would not take the original NVidia cards but a MSI, Gigabyte, EVGA, and so on. These are usually better.

From my reading I'm under the impression that "developer implementation" has way less impact if SLI runs with an application or not than people make it out to be. Developers can optimize it to run/scale better with SLI but it doesn't seem to be like all and every developer has to code the game specifically for SLI from the ground up to get a performance increase with two (or more) cards. It's like people don't understand the inherent meaning of SLI "support" and "optimization". I also bet that 80% or more of people claiming that SLI doesn't work with that or this application didn't even test it themselves or weren't able to set it up correctly and now go out on the web promoting this lie of SLI "needs to be implemented" blaming the poor developers. SLI Optimization could be implemented but the general support for it is a different story. Feel free to correct me if you have evidence to the contrary but with the stuff I can find on the net what I just wrote is way more likely, especially considering Nvidia has tools or parts of their drivers declared as "VRWorks" and guides to activate SLI in the profile settings.

The FTW3 is the FTW3 Ultra Gaming. There really isn't. The only cards who are better than the founders edition in terms of the components are EVGAs cards, ASUS ROG Strix or Zotac AMP Extreme. All others are basically the founders edition but more expensive. Happy building.

Post #14 ^^ Take the RX 580, it's very good for the price especially if you manage to get it on sale. A CPU upgrade like suggested by someone else before would help a lot, too. It's about equal in terms of CPU upgrade versus GPU upgrade.