Capn kamikaze

I'm certain something has recently changed with the refueling, it seems now that the tanker often does not want to connect the boom even if you're in position, when it does it also seems to have a very very small tolerance for movement, not only is the boom operator a bit of a nob, but also the boom itself does not seem to be modeled correctly, the upper yellow and red regions of the boom should feed out before a disconnect occurs, at the moment, that occurs at the green/upper yellow boundary, which means we have half the telescoping range we should have, which obviously makes it unrealistic.

Thought so, thanks, just wanted to know it wasn't just me seeing this...

I've been playing about with the F-86 recently again, and it seems to me either the F-86's armaments are incredibly weak, or the MiG-15 is more armoured than an M-1 Abrams.... I damaged a MiG-15, took one of his elevators off, and he tried to run to an airbase, so he was flying straight and level, so he was an easy target, I just sat behind him and emptied my entire ammo load, and finally he went down, almost all of my rounds were hitting in his engine/tail area, I'd estimate about 90% hit rate, yet it took all my ammo to get a kill? I know it's only 12.7mm ammo, but that should be enough that a short burst should do the job, not the entire lot. So is this bugged, or is the MiG-15 that tough, I find it hard to accept that it is.

You also have to remember 1 degree isn't really that important in this context, that extra information isn't actually useful, so if the second digit was a single degree, 11 isn't that much more significant than 10, Increments of 10's of degrees is more useful.

Realism is not taking an afterthought if there are versions of the aircraft that can carry more weapons. Unrealistic would be a Spitfire with AIM-9's, a version of the F-5 with more than two missiles is not unrealistic.... it is simply another version.

NO, it is not about modifying an existing aircraft to make it unrealistic, or changing it into another version it is about ADDING an additional version. What is so difficult to understand about that significant difference?

I never said it wouldn't be a lot of work... Just that the F-5E-3 isn't that useful when you really think about it, I predict in a few months hardly anyone will be flying it in PvP unless in a few months they've only just bought it. I found fairly early on that the extremely limited payload really limited what you could do with the jet, even if I scored two kills with two missiles (which at the moment is a bit of an achievement) with or without using guns, you suddenly find yourself not being very useful, you're a spectator/target.

No one is asking for an F-5E-3 to be made to carry 4 sidewinders, that would be unrealistic, what I was suggesting was ANOTHER version alongside the F-5E-3, that could, so it would be more useful in the air to air role than the F-5E-3 is. How many times do I need to explain this point?

No, I wouldn't.

Hawker Hunter would be amazing.

Yeah, I know, I was trying to make the point that there are versions of the F-15 that are air to ground capable, and adding such a version would not change what the C model can and can't do, just as adding a version of the F-5E with a better, more useful A-A capability would not change what the F-5E-3 can and can't do.

I fully get the point of simulations, I think you're not getting the point of versions.

Which is why I said I'd like to see a version of the F-5E that can in addition to the F-5E-3, because there are versions that are, it would be a much more useful jet.

Fair enough, I took what you said the wrong way, apologies, rep inbound.

Exactly.... It would be another version. I'll say it again with emphasis.... ADDING a VERSION that can carry more than just two missiles would not be.

Because that would be unrealistic. Adding a version that can carry more than just two missiles would not be.

Zilch, asking for a couple more sidewinders and a refueling probe is hardly asking for it to be turned into an F-20. The truth is that the AIM-9 is not an AIM-120, asking for a version of the F-5 that could carry two more sidewinders is not asking for some massively advanced version, trying to twist the topic to make it look like that is what is being asked is disingenuous at worst, and a straw man at best. BFM is what the F-5 is all about, asking for a couple more IR missiles doesn't change that fact, it just means you can do MORE BFM, and more is better.

I'm not asking for the F-5E-3 to be made into something it is not, only asking if a version that does have a couple more missiles and perhaps the probe could be added, and I think that would be a good idea. As I said on the first page, even if you score two kills with the two missiles we have, and perhaps another with the guns, it still means a lot of time RTBing, I'd rather have the chance to score 5 kills than 3.... as I said, its combat persistence is rather low, IMO it would make it a far more useful aircraft if that was not the case.

Four AIM-9's hardly makes something a missile truck, and hardly comparable at all to an F-15 or Su-27. How is adding another version that can carry more weapons unrealistic? "If you really need four missiles, work on your energy management, aim and tactics instead." Don't need them, but I would like them.

Also it looks like the E-3 should also be able to fire the Python.

THANK YOU zcrazyx Rep inbound.

@ Probad, tom1502 and Operator jack.... Comparing what I am asking to asking for it to be another F-15 and giving it AMRAAM's, really, or making it an F-20? Taking it to those sorts of extremes to argue against my suggestion for a couple more AIM-9's kind of undermines your objection. @ Nitch, I have the Hawk, and it has about the same combat persistence, but that is more reasonable considering the Hawk is primarily a trainer with a secondary combat capability, I understand how much is involved in making a module, and also how much is saved from modifying a module you've already made, all I am suggesting is that more missiles, and perhaps air-air refueling would be a very good addition in the future. The F-5 could be so much better with even just the addition of a couple more sidewinders, the air to air refueling probe would be nice, but personally, I think it NEEDS more missiles, I mean vs the MiG-21 which can potentially carry 6, two seems a bit low.

Polychop added two different versions of the Gazelle, what about adding another F-5E, one of the ones that did have four AIM-9's and the probe? If you notice, my thread said "F-5" not F-5E-3, and there was a reason I wrote it that way...

The F-5 itself performs ok Texac, but having such a limited number of missiles even if you score kills with both means a lot of landing and re-arming.

A-A refueling probe, and two more AIM-9's. Anyone else agree?