Wizard_03
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For those hell bent on restricting the jet to it's historic usage by the USAF Are you also this upset raz has confirmed they are implementing Mavericks for the SE? Because that's another case of something the jet CAN do but doesn't. The point being the jet has ability to use them and if the USAF wanted it too they certainly could but operationally they don't. They don't even train for it anymore. Very similar situation to the CFTs if they wanted to remove them for whatever reason and fly the jet around like an F-15D they absolutely could. There's no limitation, it's not prohibited, in fact on the contrary the -1 even has the charts for that configuration. The USAF just doesn't because they don't want to, with the exception of that video. I understand that removing the CFTs for raz will result in an unjustifiable amount of work and won't really provide a whole lot of gameplay benefit to boot. So their decision is reasonable. But I don't really understand the individuals who want to force the product into a specific operational use. It's like saying there's a right way and wrong way to pretend. Doesn't seem reasonable to me.
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Go ahead and actually read my post before replying. The whole thing please. Because I literally stated this is the first time I've ever seen them in that config. My previous post which you also quoted stated that I don't think raz should give us the option to take them off anyway which is the subject of this thread. Anyways That was a training mission for sure, not a test flight, not static engine run up or check flight. And I've never ever seen them take the CFTs off for training hops. Why would they do that? The video is also from 2022 so maybe things have changed. Which was the subject of my first post you quoted. They certainly wouldn't be training in a config that they aren't going to use. That would be negative training and not representative of rw scenarios. They train like they fight.
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Yeah I'm well aware however the video seems to contradict that. Why would they install the wing stations and captive missiles only to train, and then what? They send the jet back to the depot and have them take all that off and put the CFTs back on? and where are the pods, why have do the recess stations have the hardware to accept missiles installed. They went through a bit of intentional work to get the jet in configuration. And there's two of them like that together. It actually is a little difficult to understand. If that was just a test or check flight they would not load up captive missiles or do any of that. If this was a ferry flight where are the pods and drop tanks. The only other instances I've seen them without CFTs is in test settings at the depot I've never ever seen one in a training setting without out CFTs. Certainly not deployed overseas either. But I guess the point is, if they wanted to operate the jet like, they certainly could. I was always under the impression they don't, but I also have eyes. Anywho yeah I'd love to see raz or ED make an F-15C as a follow up to the SE which would largely make this thread irrelevant.
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It's very interesting they have captive missiles on them. I've never seen a SE in that config, the few images/videos we have of them without the tanks also have them clean with no wing pylons, pods or anything ect. That suggests that they are now in fact operating them without the CFTs as all of that would have to come off to put them back on. Which is a lot of work, And this is a Frontline deployed unit, so Maybe this is a new thing they are trying. I know there is a shift in the SE community now towards more AA because the C/D is on the endangered species list and the understanding is that the E/EX will have to pick up the slack going forward until NGAD takes over So maybe this is USAFs way of stretching their resources now. Idk but it's a cool video. Don't know if it's reasonable to ask the devs to develop two FMs for the product based on a single video though. Lol that would be a ton of work for very little value. I'd rather have ED just make us a FF F-15C at that point.
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It will have the link16 D/L implemented per discord. It had it prior to suite 4+ (the one we're getting) so it's for sure going to be represented. It may not have all the features and sensor fusion the hornet has. But you'll have what's known as the SIT page which is similar to the SA page on the hornet with your D/L picture and symbology. Not sure about the A2G functionality but I'm sure its got something. With the radar and D/L there's gonna be a zero chance of being snuck up on in the mudhen.
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The FC3 model we have is also a franken-bird and is all over the place anyway. If they were to do a FF version it would probably need to be either super new or super early, or both.
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Not if you give it Aim-9x and JHMCS. There is certainly enough data available for a mid 2000s C eagle with all those bells and whistles. But if they stuck with the current In game available weapons of the franken-eagle we have now it's at a disadvantage sure. Especially against HOBS equipped one circle monsters like the hornet, and flanker. Even the MiG and viper can give it problems when they're rocking those. The mudhen may get 9x however raz has said they want to if there's enough info they can get their hands on. But it's still gonna be a pig compared to many of the dogfight specialists in game. A C eagle with them would be very competitive.
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It certainly won't be better from a kinematics perspective, It should do the job though like you said. For those on the receiving end it won't matter if you facing an F-15C or F-15E. You'll need to treat the mudhen with just as much respect at range. However atm the radar on the F-15C is SIGNIFICANTLY under performing, and so It may be quite the wake up call for those used to that when the F-15E comes out, because the FC3 Eagle has pretty much been abandoned by ED It and the Su-27S have identical ranges which is absolutely wrong and a holdover from FC3s "game balancing" days. Both aircraft (F-15C/E) should have pretty much the best radars in the game in terms of detection range and overall power. But based on how well the M2000s radar is modeled in the game I have high hopes for raz and the mudhen. So that alone will make it "better" and combine that with it's datalink you really won't be able to hide from F-15E like you can right now from the eagle. But imagine you survive all that and actually make it too the merge, and it STILL spanks you. That's F-15C. A Full FF F-15C will be able to give the eurofighter a run for its money.
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Fair enough, I know it's super minor but I absolutely love the look they have, just hoping we can replicate it in the sim one day. Development resources permitting.
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Definitely had them removed on shore based aggressors too.
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When y'all get around to modeling TARPS pod will/can we get the ECA for empty phoenix stations as well?
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The HB tomcat has one of the best 3D models in the game, to be fair, we're just asking for a little more visual options. Iranian tomcats did not use the tanks and the pylons are removed too so maybe when HB releases early/Iranian versions of the cat they can include this feature!
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The drop tank pylons should definitely be removable. Many aggressor/top gun birds had them removed. Especially early F-14As
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I'm not sure if Fighter to fighter D/L tracks appear on the radar page. Or if that's just a capability beyond suite 4, the information I found was unclear but apparently many modern aircraft can designate offboard tracks independent of ownship sensors. However regardless the SIT page will provide range and altitude for D/L tracks making it easy to cue the radar to the correct portion of sky. Not as Gucci as the hornet's MSI but it'll get the job done. But yes in any case F-15E with link16 will have an unprecedented airspace picture for DCS.
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50 years ago the Eagle had its first flight and It still reigns supreme today. The legend lives on!
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Happy 50th anniversary for the Eagle. Hopefully we won't have to wait another 50 years to see a FF F-15C in DCS
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Happy 50th anniversary for the Eagle. Hopefully we won't have to wait another 50 years to see a FF F-15C in DCS
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Is this going to be implemented? It's on the master test button and is part of the startup checklist.
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So based on discord to answer my own question I can say D/L information is accessed through what is known as the SIT page. It's similar to the SA page in the hornet but without moving map capabilities. The jet doesn't use the same HAFU system the hornet has so D/L symbology is totally separate from ownship tracks like the viper at least for surv contacts from AWACS not sure about Fighter to fighter, and as far as I can tell the datalink information from AWACS, is limited to the SIT page and does not use any sort of MSI system to correlate tracks on the radar page or HMD like the hornet. Again not sure if peer network is different. I have a feeling it might be for the sake of BVR sorting. So overall you can get the same sort of information as the other link16 jets but there's less sensor fusion at it requires the pilot to do much of the correlation themselves. Which may not be that big of a deal since the radar we will be working with is much bigger and more powerful then the hornet or vipers so you won't need to rely as much on the D/L as you do in those jets. feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Can someone with more knowledge share some insight in how the DL is implemented in the mudhen? As I understand it should be included in the suite 4 SE we're getting. I'm just wondering what sort of functionality it has in comparison to the hornet and viper? Is it the same, better, worse, different ect. ?
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They're running out of reasons 'not' too do it lol
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It gives you three A2G weapon stations instead of two as the center one isn't used as a weapon station due to clearance and separation issues Its typically either fuel or nothing. (assuming were taking two bags which is pretty standard for strike missions) in addition to the a fore mentioned visibility benefits for the Lpod, very very common for USN/USMC hornets to be loaded asymmetrically both in double ugly and other configs. Single winder and single 120 are also common.
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Can we expect this item soon? REALLY bugs me lol Along with animated FCS Bit. I Only ask because in the last mini-update Wags teased the GBU-24 which is further down the list.
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Yeah again I have a poll that says otherwise, and besides we already have two A-10s, two FW-190s, Two maps that cover the same area, and pretty soon we're gonna get another KA-50, you can't tell me that resources are better allocated to those projects then a FF Eagle despite what RAZBAM is doing I don't see any conflict in sales as the two aircraft are; just that, two different aircraft and we already have variations on similar aircraft in game RN and they didn't/don't bat an eye at it. The hard part is the FM according to ED themselves and that is already in a release state, along with most of the related systems like hydro, and electrical even the FM with SAS off is complete along with stall and spin modes. Cockpit overhaul could be done with 3d scanning these days and is much much easier from an art perspective then it was when FC3 came out. Most of the switches are even animated in the current in game model. No new weapons need to be added with the exception of JHMCS and 9x (possibly) no complex A2G smart weapons or guided weapons and stores pages/info need be added since it doesn't use them. Based on how quickly they pumped out the viper I don't see the radar or weapon systems or datalink taking too much time since the ASM framework for them is already in place with the viper and hornet which are in fact MORE complex in that regard. Basically You have a half finished module out there that cost 10 bucks but with a little work you charge 4 to 6 times that much and people would buy it according to poll. I don't really see how this doesn't net them a bunch of money and us an Iconic plane that can be, should be in the game in a FF state for a relatively small amount of work compared with bring in a new aircraft from scratch. Evidently.
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Why? I have a huge poll showing people want it, overwhelming majority. Should be easy money for ya'll.
