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Indeed. If I had a 1080TI, I would NOT have preordered the 2080TI. 1. As I have said previously, I always miss a generation. Buying the latest whizz bang card every year or so is not cost effective for me. 2. I really don't think that the increase in performance over 1080TI justifies the eyewatering price tag on my level of income. In my case I am expecting a huge increase in performance over my 980 and therefore it works for me because of that. However, if you can afford it, and own a 1080TI, there is absolutely nothing wrong with preordering the 20Ti series. It is not stupid, it is not ill advised, misguided or any other term that somehow tries to convey the buyer is wrong. It's your money and you have the God given right to spend it as you wish, without others judging you for it.

Nvidia are not becoming a monopoly. They are at the moment outclassing the opposition. Therefore the opposition are failing to compete with Nvidia. Any other perspective is the application of false logic.

Exactly my point.

Having a 980TI at the moment, I was sure to get an increase in performance. Nvidia have a track record of 25 to 35% increase over the previous flagship card. Hence I was comfortable in forecasting the same with the 20 series, in addition to the rumoured VR enhancements. I never gave the slightest look at Ray tracing as I knew DCS did not have it. When you are looking at tenders from prospective contractors, you look at track record as well as price. When you hire someone, you look at their track record and testimonials. You then have to decide to take a leap of faith that you are engaging the right person for the job. In this world there are the risk takers and the risk averse..... It is not a question of intelligence, or lack of, nor any lack of due diligence. It is just a case of can I afford it? Yes. What If I'm wrong? I will still have a card that comfortably outperforms my current one. Should I buy the cheaper 1080TI instead? Nope, why buy outdated tech when you don't need to, and I have a policy of missing a generation, so the 20 series always was the target product. Gut feeling? The reputation is solid so take the leap.

Agreed. Unfortunately a lot of people, well all of us are disappointed with the pricing, it is pretty gouging. Some peeps have been waiting for the card and can't justify the price and some can. A small minority of the ones who can't, indulge themselves with the politics of envy. It is plain stupid to decry a whole new generation of cards because of price and the fact they refuse to pay it. I paid £800 for pre order Rift and Touch controllers and look how that turned out. One of the best purchasing decisions for my hobby I ever made. Up there with DCS, crosswinds and warthog. Some have said this hobby is relatively inexpensive...It is on a hour to hour basis. Try calculating the costs per hour for renting a light aircraft, owning a boat, a high performance motorcycle or a motocross bike. I have and its eye watering. Those who can't justify the costs may have other interests they indulge in that demands money be thrown at it and DCS is a secondary diversion. They may have a young family and crippling mortgage payments. I have also been there. Then there are those of us who have been through all of the above, all the hair on fire interests, the mortgage and kids, come out the other side with their main interest being DCS (cheaper than light aircraft which I have not been able to afford since the mortgage and kids appeared) and now have a little discretionary income to pursue that hobby. Have to say I would prefer to have my youth back though. Indulging in the politics of envy and in some perverse way trying to somehow insinuate those who early adopt are stupid are very short sighted. The early adopters pave the way for such technology to become mainstream and affordable. I see a lot of thinly disguised envy in this thread and a wish for the technology to fail, just because they can't afford it at the moment. EDIT: on reflection, envy may not be entirely appropriate. I would think bitterness would suit better. Semantics, the end result is the same.

980TI is about on par with 1070, so it is usable with most settings on high. You will have to overclock though for DCS, both VRAM and GPU with PD at 1.8. I find that I'm running out of VRAM and hitting page file at times, when that happens you get the jitters. It does not happen too often and removing and replacing the headset will reset itself. It's akin to a memory leak. I'm hoping my new RTX will solve the issue.

Good call. 4790 will work hard with DCS and you can always update your card at a later date. 1080TI is a fine card. You are at a disadvantage with 4790 not K. I go down a slightly different route, I upgrade rather than replace. I still have significant headroom on my OC 4790k 4.5ghz running at 15 - 20% utilisation, albeit draw distance setting is high, not ultra. I am replacing my poor old, hugely OC 980TI with a 2080Ti and hoping to see the rumoured and synthetic benchmark 50% VR boost over 1080ti. Either way I will see 100% over my 980, so for me it makes good sense. As for my rig, next upgrade planned is CPU, board and RAM. I am saving for CPU and praying for Vulkan.

I'm pretty happy with my decision to pre order the 208OTI OC. It is clear on several of those reviews that at lower resolutions, the CPU was bottlenecking and holding the card back. Then the 4k stuff. Wow, just wow. That's good news indeed for us VR types, although we have yet to have VR reviews. However, in their lead up to release, Nvidia did say a large aspect of the card development was VR related. I guess I will be seeing a 100% improvement on my old 980TI.

PD and MSAA should not impact your CPU. The rest neither, but it would impact your RAM and VRAM. Perhaps draw distance might have a significant effect as it has to shove more data at a higher speed.

I live not far from Snaith nr Goole. You are very welcome to try out my rig before you commit. Edit. I see you already committed. Enjoy. :)

Tides seem to come and go Fnarr, as they wish. One spawn in and the tide is in, the next it is out. I like the tide to be in. In PG, tide out; with all the boats, it looks pretty silly with some boats resting on the bottom in shallow areas, while in deeper water, the boats are suspended 10ft in mid air. The water in PG is pretty astounding, clear to several feet down.

A man after my own heart. I requested this maybe 12 months ago. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=194382 They are working on it. Even to the point of starting in the briefing room and walking out to the aircraft, so I hear. Currently it is a waste of all the fine detail of airbases in NTTR and PG to spawn sat in the cockpit. The detail of these bases if you eject and actually walk around the base away from the ramp is quite astounding and you never see it. I recommend Creech in NTTR to try this, not too far to walk from ramp to base buildings as an experiment. Imagine the MP squadrons being able to deliver briefings, assign plane numbers, get a van or walk out to the ramp, find your assigned plane and climb in.

2080TI General Release Put Back 1 Week. :( https://www.pcworld.com/article/3305787/components-graphics/nvidia-delays-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-launch.html

Does not respond to start up requests, yet once starting to taxi, will give a non audible clearance to taxi to runway on screen. Same at runway, no response for takeoff clearance, yet it does appear on screen once on the runway. Creech and the other bases are unaffected.

Intermittent, but more times than not. Right engine start is normal with the resonance once it hits 40%. Left engine start, many times is silent with no resonance or response from my buttkicker. Only way to know it's starting is through the gauges. It may be related to having radio menu open at the time.

Same here. AIM 7 fired in ACM mode at target at 12 oclock and maybe 4 -5 miles immediately shows LOST on the HUD after launching. AIM 120s also showing strange behaviours and breaking lock. Radar itself. Sweep line constantly sticks to left of screen and refuses to pick up targets even at same altitude, 20 - 30 miles out in 80 mile mode, same altitude, 6 bar 140 degree scan and in tail chase at same altitude. Antenna centered.

ElCuco68 I see what you mean now. I left TM running in a mission to see what you were talking about. Very odd. Either my CPU is easily coping with DCS or I'm seeing some sort of threading going on. Not what I was expecting to see. Overall utilisation 15%. Logical core 00 at 30% and core 07 at around 35 - 40 % GPU at 100% (VR) The figures did not change significantly even when the AIM120 was in flight. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I can say what is happening. I either have far more overhead to run my new 2080TI than expected, or something is awry. Only other thing in my limited knowledge is the CPU is switching core 0 and core 7 very rapidly for thermal management. Settings (Oculus Rift).

All sorts of strange things happen, DCS primarily uses one core for physics ect and hits a second for audio, but that's not the full story. The CPU will bounce the load around all the physical cores to maintain thermal stability, yet still still only using a single core performance at a time. Then there is accessing shared caches ect, the DCS core may be idling a lot waiting for information to process because the cache is in use providing info to other processes. When we start talking about L3 caches and stuff, this is where I bow out. It makes my head hurt and others far more knowledgeable than I would be better taking over.

You are on 92% average, but hitting 100% regularly, so your CPU is likely bottlenecking your GPU slightly. DCS uses just a couple of cores, and that graph is showing your entire CPU which has 4, so a single core in use would be at 100% permanently. Right click graph, select "change graph", select "all logical cores" and you will be able to make a better judgement of individual core performance. It would also be interesting to see what the Vram utilisation is like. To get better GPU utilisation figures, if you are using VR, you could try upping the pixel density, but if like me, your Vram is maxing out and hitting the swap file, this will affect your figures. You would benefit from shutting down some background processes in task manager. All in my limited view of course.

Like for like settings. GTX1080TI vs RTX2080TI. Non ray tracing gaming and AI machine learning turned off. A straight forward slugging match. Individual results may vary..... Remains to be seen how DCS performs and how the average users CPU can utilise it. September 20th is going to be very interesting. Can't wait. I want Vulkan and I want it now.

Oculus no longer recommend using 388.59. They recommend updating to the newest driver.

Windows 10. Task manager is a powerful tool for cross checking performance. First stop. Go into task manager / performance and look at GPU utilisation and CPU utilisation graphs. GPU should ideally be close to 100%, but I'd live with 80%. The higher the better, it means it's getting the info to get the frames out. Over 90% and I would be happy. This is a good initial indication. My 980TI running at stupid barely stable overclock hovers around 98% utilisation. Vram size is preventing 100% as it hits the swap file occasionally. Be interesting to see what happens when my new 2080TI arrives. I expect it to fall like a rock. I'm hoping for the 80% but time will tell and I'm being optimistic. Less than 75% and it means I'm throwing money down the drain if I don't upgrade the CPU to get the optimum performance I bought the card to provide. I won't be getting anymore performance than a 1080TI could provide. However, I am hoping we see Vulkan multithreading sooner rather than later and hopefully, I can then save a penny and my marriage by not having to change my CPU, RAM and mainboard. The central heating kicks in whenever I mention the 2080 to the missus. Gets a bit frosty. I see PC parts for my hobby, she sees holidays in the sun for the same price. I digress.. CPU Performance. CPU performance graph should be well below 100%. I see around 15% to 18% typically in DCS on my OC i7 4790K. However, DCS uses just a couple of cores on a multi core cpu, and this is not even using two cores properly, but bouncing back and forth between the two, so this is not the full story. If you have reason to suspect core overload, Right click the performance graph, click change graph, click logical processors. This will give the performance of each core separately. If none are hitting 100% consistently, you are not bottlenecking.

Makes sense. When I'm getting a series of crossing bearings, I'll try lagging the target by 30 degrees or so, instead of leading it. See if that breaks it out earlier. Thanks.

No, I tend to switch air to air mode off when not actually locking something up. Declutters the HUD.

Perhaps someone else could test it. I had an AWACS giving me BRA at 80 miles /15000ft / flanking info on a pair of SU25s after a previous engagement with the AIM 120s. Radar was reset from the 40 mile scale that selecting the AIM120 sets, back to my customary 80 mile range, yet I was picking up nothing. I continued to fly the bearings given and suddenly, on the 40 mile range bar they were picked up. Radar was set on 6 bars and 140 degrees, antenna slightly low as I was at 30,000ft, so the radar should have picked up a return far before. Could maybe have understood if they were head on, but they were crossing right to left. Big RCS. It looks like the scale is resetting as selected, but the actual scan is still stuck on 40miles after AMRAAM.