M0ltar

Why give blue the 27 and red the 15? I know it evens things out, but I people are not going to like it. Frankly, I like the fighter situation how it is.

Im all for blue having the ka50. They used to before round 6 or 7. They already have the other helis and CAS aircraft. Give red the gazelle and blue the ka50 and call it good.

What about adding a limit to the number of units that can be deployed? Much like how it was for sa6 before. If they Deploy a new one it erases the one that had been on the map the longest. No idea what the limit would be for each type.

When I was in today it did the seem like enemy aircraft were detected? I only saw friendlies. Was this because of the EWR not being deployed or was the EWR no in range or being blocked by landscape to see the bogeys?

I bought a module and thought I could gift it to a friend? I guess this is not possible Le as I could no unbind the key. I already own the module I bought through the FC3 bundle, I bought the SU27 standalone. Is there anything I can do?

Left the squadron I was with. Is it possible to change my forums username as a result?

=RvE=Moltar =RvE= A10C or Su27 US

This has happened in previous rounds too at airbases. No idea what causes it though. At a farp it could be the rearm and refill assets are not present?

Are the mirages just not working because of frequency? You said the mirage doesn't get awacs on red or blue?

Yeah, I went back and read it after I posted. I know there is testing and things before this even gets put into testing, if it even does. I dont think anyone is in a rush and no one expects anything soon or at all.

As ventzero said, blue can ha EA the awacs as well by giving them a Ukrainian sided version of the same ground radar. We tested this when DL was working in the server and we found out blue didn't have awacs. Awacs spam o know can be annoying, but for anyone that doesn't know, you can change the radio message filters using right shift+m in game. We all know this is going to take testing and I don't think anyone is suggesting that this needs o happen right now. I simply think people want it on the table for discussion and hopefully eventually things are tested. Thanks again for being transparent about everything whether its favorable or not to this. I really mean that.

I dont know where you got yes from. I answered your questions and all of them said our SA is terrible and weapons force us in very very close. You can't draw conclusions and say who won the round etc. 1 it's testing. 2 pilot skill is not taken into account. 3 You have to look at player numbers, what aircraft were flown, etc. I could probably make a pretty good guess and say the majority on red have been mirages and not flankers. Also, in at least a. Ouple of those rounds red heavily outnumbered blue. Leave the admins out of it as I'm sure they dont want to get drawn into this especially people putting them in certain corners on both sides on their stance and feelings. I answered your questions objectively and without attack and yet you continue to be disrespectful through this whole conversation or read into things that could not be further from the truth to paint a picture that looks positive in your eyes. Every answer I gave paints a picture that says that the flanker is at a disadvantage. I have no idea what response you read, but my answers were hardly yes.

I don't know that you can see type of plane on the stats page, can you?

:megalol: no one came up until the point the server crashed. :cry:

We don't know if it will. We just want to test it to see what it does. The Su27 is the only plane in BF to have something it has by default removed that is not a weapon. The SA definitely helps, but I don't see where this has anything to do with anything. Blue has a lot of times where they are by themselves to. I also don't see anywhere in this thread where someone is saying that DL will help. Its actually all of those things if you think about it. Yes, the Flanker has the T missile, but it SUCKS. Its really not worth carrying. That leaves us with the R and the 73. The R is pretty bad. Most people will agree with that that have any experience with the Su. That leaves us with the 73. If you take the R and the 73 together and think about what kind of engagement the Flanker would excel in its sneak attack and that is what a lot of people try to do. A sneak attack that forces you inside 5 NM to be even close to effective and even at that range the R is still really bad and 73 is out of range on a maneuvering target. The Su27 was the only plane that can rip its wings off when you are not going a million miles an our. I could be wrong with the Mirage, but I thought you had to be going pretty fast with it to rip them off. This has been pretty much fixed in the normal settings on the Su. If you relax the flight surfaces you can still rip them off. I think people just tend to lump this in as it was an issue for so long. The Flanker takes around 7 minutes just to refuel. That does not include rearming and starting up. Yes the startup is fast, but today I was refueling and when I hit 1000 kilos a Mirage that had spawned in at the same time was taxing out. I have to fuel basically to 10000 kilos to be full. This fueling is slower than even the Eagle. Its radar is OK, but does not give you much SA outside of where the threat is. On both the Eagle and the mirage you know what the threat is when you lock him up or see him on your radar. You also know what the threat is on the RWR. The Flanker has neither of those things. I can tell range and attitude of the threat. That is it. If I get launched on or engaged I have no idea what was fired on me or by what. So, saying the above, DL gives us a better SA because that is one of the things the Flanker is lacking. We have all come to the conclusion, I think, in this thread that the ER and ET would be too much. That is why people are about the DL right now. DL is all about SA! Something that the Eagle and Mirage have loads more of including better radar missiles. That's not what anyone is saying. Ive even said in this thread that the 15 has some issues too in comparison to the Mirage I just don't know what to do about it. Yes, and it is much better than the 27R. Have you used the 27R? Absolutely not. People were just giving those as options. I think the ER is too much in this case. By the way, the 27T is a really bad missile. Ive fired on targets flanking my front from left to right at 4 NM and the T has fallen short. It is a really really bad missile so to say its the best doesn't get you much. Is it the best medium IR missile in BF? Yes, yes it is. Is it the only medium range IR missile in BF? Yes, yes it is. I don't see anywhere where anyone has said that. People have said that its structural integrity is way less, but not that it is less maneuverable. That is why the only way for a Flanker to win right now is to try and get to the merge and that is what a lot of people try and do. Its not 2 extra minutes on the ground. Its more like 5. Feel free to try it yourself. The Su27 takes a long time to fuel fully. Datalink helps in the process up to the 1v1. If we have the worst missiles in the game and the worst SA don't you think we are going to try and hide until we get close? We rely so much on EO because most of the time if we get seen its an uphill battle and most of the time its a flee for our lives or we die. Can the Flanker 1v1 effectively? Sure it can, if we get close enough and that is the major problem. We have to get damn close to be effective. I mean really close. EO lets us sneak in and get close. We have to do that because the 27R is a joke, the 27T is worse than the 73 and the 73 is the real only way we get kills and its effective kill range on a maneuvering target mind you is about 2 NM for kills reliably. Yes we can fire before that, but if they move or flare its over. Also, remember the 73 loves flares. There is a major disadvantage again because of SA. Both the Eagle and Mirage can both see what the threat is and take actions accordingly. The Su27 can't. Yes, EO helps a lot in our abilities to get in close. However, EO is not a win all and has issues. If you are in hot on a Su27 it is very difficult to get you in EO until you are right on top of me. Again, the main reason EO is relied on so heavily is because we don't have a way to stand off at all. DL helps again because it gives SA. We still have crap missiles, but we have a better idea of where threats are so we don't fly in to a 3 ship and die with EO because we can only see 1 target at a time. Yes, yes it is. No one is saying its about distance. Its more about SA. Again DL helps with SA. The Russian radar does not give type or target and the RWR does not provide type of threat. Its even worse when you are painted by a friend because the Russian RWR truly only tracks 1 primary source in the increasing bars and 1 or more secondaries using attitudes. If your wing man is painting you you can't see crap. So, when we go into an engagement we have no idea what the threat is and when we are fired on we have no idea what type of radar missile it is whether thats from a ground base or air. Yes, the Russian RWR is great, but again its great for 1 threat. However, even though its great I have no idea what the threat is which is a massive deal. I also have no idea where the second threat is or what it is. I can tell attitude, but not distance. SA is worse, to me, in this case compared to the Mirage and F15. With the Mirage and F15, you can tell when a contact becomes a threat. Thats what the inner ring is for. The algorithms that are run are used to calculate strength of the signal from the source, use the signal type to determine the type of source and determine when that source becomes a threat. Will it give you as detailed information on a single threat for distance? No, it won't, but you'll know when hes a threat and can fire on you and what type of threat he is which gives you information on how to deal with him and the threat he launches. I don't think anyone wants BF to be 104th and I have not seen anyone say that. People have said, including myself, that 104th allows DL, but that is it.

Can we have a voice discussion about what we're trying to convey? I'm open to talking to anyone. Nothing hostile. I'd like to learn what others think outside of the context of the forums. This place can get very heated and I know in the past we've had some great discussions about balance on TS. I'll be on TS for a bit. Poke me or jump in if you want to chat.

Maybe here on the forums. I've talked to at least a couple of blue players and they don't have a problem with at least testing DL on the flanker. In vents statement he's actually saying that it's blue always hating on the flanker and DL since round 5. I chatted on TS today while it was enabled and there was a consensus that a big reason a lot, not all, blue players don't like DL in BF or at all for that matter is because they don't have experience with the flanker in a competitive MP environment with limited payloads and therefore don't realize what a setback it is. You have to fly the flanker in BF to understand the situation it's in. I'm not saying you havnt flown the flanker in BF, I think you have, I'm just saying this is why we thought it was so hated. I was the same way when I started in BF. I only flew the A10 and therefore couldn't comprehend why the flanker needed any help. I thought it was even, but a big part of why the scores were even was due to pilot skill. Im not pooping on blue right now. This is how it was when. I started a few years ago. Just a heads up, the flanker has never had DL, to my knowledge, in BF. Intially, if I understand correctly, it didn't when everything had full payloads because it was broken. Now it's just stick because people have assumed that it doesn't have it because it's broken. Now, I'm not saying all this is a fact , but it's the conclusion we reached. I think it's at least worth testing. It is testing right? Even 104th now has DL enabled on all it's missions. All I'm saying is let's give it a try in testing. If it's deemed too good take it out, but we will be we know unless we try.

New issue. F10 view in any slot can see everything on the map, blue, red, it doesn't matter what slot.

Does blue have the AI AWACS right now?

Isn't the sad ATC default on all missions? He talks to me when I land or take off. EDIT: Nevermind, looks like DL is on for testing.

Come fly with us! Always great to have someone new on the dark side.

That may be why you fly the Viggen, but ask others why they fly the Mirage. Ive done it quite a bit on red and a lot it is because there is advantage, a major advantage. Most people, not all, will fly or use whatever gives them the best bets in a fight. This to me is true no matter what game or situation you're in.

I've never hidden that I GCI'd for RVE while I flew. Anyone that asked I told them what was up. I never tried to hide it from anyone. Hell, you and I even talked about it because you said you had a problem with it and I said, even though I didnt agree with you, that I'd stop, which I did . Ive even talked to the BF guys about it. If you want to make this about personnel attacks I'm more than Happy to talk to you off line or TS about it again. and we can rehash this chat we had.

It's the same in multiplayer, symbology and everythinf. I just don't think it actually shares with a wingman. I think you see what awacs sees. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's not modeled for fighter2fighter.

I'm pretty sure spectator was removed. That's what people were saying when I was on earlier.