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Same ... that MF is getting me everytime even if now I know where it comes from. Flaring like a madman and breaking but nothing works

Don't bother, I already tried to make them understand why that solution is a step-back but it is a lost cause my friend ...

Of course it is possible. What would it be then ? Because we did not see that alt+enter reference in the change log. What else did you change that we do not know that could have that impact ? Again ... and again. It appears to be the hell for you to acknowledge a potential problem. You answer is you standard ''it's something else''. ''Slight fps drop'' ? 10 to 11 on a 60 lock is quite noticeable, especially when it occurs ''randomly'', meaning killing the smoothness. Thank you for your time but I'm quite sure you won't pay attention to what I would send to you, as you did in that thread by obviously not reading what has been said (ex, you asked me 2 times to send NVIDIA settings while I said already several times that I was running AMD) I've done tests and I gave you numbers. As someone said, I'm repeating myself and it ends where it is everytime - no problem, look elsewhere.

And again, you cramp on your position that it wasn't needed anymore while you have reports that the results are fairly mixed. I agree with you with the fact that when doing alt+tab, the FPS were dropping and that is not the case anymore. BUT, when you focused with alt+enter the game was running better. Here are the results of the tests I've just finished. Be aware that I'm 60fps locked for TrackIr. current build : 2-3 fps drop in general but the fps are kinda all over the place (up to 10-11 fps drop) current build with the fullscreen optimization unchecked : same. build 2.7.17.29140 in alt+enter : performance slightly better overall (2-3 fps higher) but most importantly, I do not observe nothing more than 5 fps less and the game is way smoother then. Those tests have been done back-to-back in the very same conditions, same exports running, same Ryzen Master profile, etc ... And I took on me to update the GPU and chipset drivers before testing (even if I'm always cautious with AMD) You wanted numbers, you got them.

No, I asked why that Windows implementation needed you to do modifications and you reply that the previous state''it is not needed anymore'' while I report that some people were not experiencing any changes (so not better) and while others reported a degradation. The blog is clear and how windows works and what can be done to not use that, and the workaround has been explained and tried in the answers before with report. You just did not replied to my question.

And there you are again ignoring what has been said. It is needed because performance have degraded. And as you might have read in this thread, I did that test and while it felt a bit better, it was in all cases worse than it was before. Maybe for the sake of it I will try to roll back to the previous version.

Thank you but I don't understand your point. The blog says that Windows did a new thing that tricks the game by making it believing it is in fullscreen while it is in bordeless ... I get their point for overlays, alt+tab, etc ... I can understand that. But in what did you have to modify DCS then if this process is in Windows directly and is desactivable for people that do not need it ?

Indeed ... but I did not check if there was any data in the WP 59.

Hmm okay, I'll look into that. Thank you

You did brought some help, I thanked you for that and will do it again. But we are now to the point where it is clearly established that the update is at fault. It is indeed in EDs hands, granted the accept the fact that there is a problem in the first place ...

No problem my friend. I just have to remember to add it at startup, no biggie but when the first calls arrived I had to fiddle around until I found the info One quick question while I have you, When I arrived from mission 4 I did my usual break but this time in the Navy way, left hand, 800ft AGL, 350kts and started offset to the right of the runway instead of aligned. I had the tower telling me ''no one was impressed by the fly by, etc ...'' Is that because I did my break starting offset ?

The setup has not changed in anyways here BUT the update. And EDs themselves said they ''fixed'' that thing. I don't see the point of turning mandatory things that I use in DCS just for wasting RL time. If I'm not gonna fly DCS without, why would I try ? Would you try DCS without your HOTAS for the sake of testing ? Probably not because you know it is not a viable solution. At some point they have to stop quibbling and accept that mod brought nothing better but either nothing or worse. Period.

I did one final test though. There is no significant performance difference between the fullscreen box being checked or not in the game options panel. So ... this update brought something that changes nothing for some users and is worse for others. This is what I call a relative failure, or partial failure. ED coders are doing thousands of thousands of code lines and updates are coming regularly. It is an Open Beta so it is not surprising that sometimes, a code or a choice appears not to be satisfying or completely wrong. I'm not mad because it happened ; what pisses me off is that ED has just to acknowledge it is not a good modification and either : - it is needed anyway to move on toward the core optimization, - it is not satisfying and then noted to be looked upon and re-estabilshed in its previous working state in the near future.

Hey there ! I'm at mission 4 and so far this campaign is great. I've one complain but maybe it is an error from my side. All the bulls calls are given from Portal. The coordinates are indeed in the kneeboard but I find strange that the pilot wouldn't include it in the datacard and have it in the waypoints list to check it as A/A reference. Is that a route clarity matter maybe ?

Overclocking the CPU. And nope because those are mandatory. Would you ''just for testing'' unplug your HOTAS ? The setup was working like a charm before the update and what ED brought is causing a performance issue. Period. No quibbling.

Nothing but TrackIr and Ryzen Master. I also have Matric and 2 or 3 export scripts.

As I just said, and after trying Cerberus North Mission 3 I can say it runs worse than it was before that said ''fix''. Not as bad as it was before I tried what was suggested, but still worse. Definitely not an upgrade then ...

It is a 144hz but I keep the native settings at 60 because of problems with TrackIr. I have V-sync enabled and Freesync off. It runs great, no tearing, no stuttering.

Allrighty. So you still use the DCS_updater to launch the game on a daily use ? I tried what you suggested and since I actually wasn't using any scalling at all in the AMD panel (everything is off) I just applied the changes to the .exe (both) Well ... it is merely a victory. It seems to run a little smoother but the FPS counter is still oscillating between 57-61 while it was almost dead locked at 60 with the alt+tab. My guess is that since I have a strong machine I brute force DCS to run at the 60fps ceiling, but it definitely runs less smoother than it was before. I'm almost sure it would have been worse on my previous setup, with the FPS counter all over the place. I runned a custom mission with a chunk of AI flights, tankers, and a good amount of ground units. Starting cold from the ship with 8 AI flights it was easy to notice the before / after behaviour. My conclusion is that it is still running good but the modification made by ED is worse than it was. I can't judge by how much since again, I've a fairly strong machine. I'll try again with DCS Liberation, it sometimes had my PC to blink an eye in certain circumstances. Thank you very much for your time and for the advices you gave

Interesting disovery for me is that the shortcut icon on the desktop is pointing to DCS_updater.exe and not DCS.exe. Which one do you use to launch the game and did you apply the settings on both applications ? What is the pros and cons of using each apps ?

A few months ago I was experiencing the same CTDs in Liberation Dynamic Campaign. I started to suspect the Tomcats and then the fact that too many planes were coming back to Mother at the same time. I re-arranged my missions so that the different flights were coming back with enough time interval. I've never had any CTDs after that. I tried to convince ED guys to investigate in that way but they never took it seriously.

Part of my point is to indeed point out that the problem is not resolved, hence other threads. Though I'm glad to not have to justify myself to you what is necessary or not. You may want to unfollow this thread if you think you don't have to read the following ...

We also take away time for everything else to try to convince them there is a problem with what they did. Add to that, the bugs are also taking time from us of enjoying the game and all the investments we made around DCS. Yes there are multiple posts about this issue because this one has been tagged as having a solution while it clearly has not ...

Oh ok ! Thank you very much. I'll have a look next week

Thanks but why would I need the GPU scaling since I'm playing in the native resolution ?