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Did you miss the part where ED has already come out and said that the GPS in the 38s, for the F-16 or any other modern jet, is not fully completed? Or are you choosing to ignore that and gloss over that? You mention other weapon systems but what other weapon systems are affected by this? If you say something give an example don't just make a generalization. Because from my experience I have had no issues whatsoever using any other weapon system to include the JDAM. Just the other night I tested the 38s alone, and once this update drops, I will test them again and include the 31s as well. You can see in the picture it was a good 30 minutes of straight dropping on a single point. Over those 30 minutes I had INS drift on me. 27 out of 47 JDAMs landed on or near the target. Nothing dropped outside of the box as you can see. The next time I test I will do an hour-long session of dropping if needed. This instance was with the TGP. In my next testing runs I will do it with the TGP again AND with preplanned stpts. I'm also not one that just gets into a jet and goes running into an AO nullall willy nilly. I play as close to the realism side as possible as I am an actual F-16 weapons troop, and I like to see how real I can make things. I'm not just getting my info off the internet from a -34 that has nothing to do with our specific model/year of the F-16. I have searched the internet far and wide and the only "-34" is from the other F-16 sim. Granted that does have some things that are shockingly identical to certain things but I won't get into that, it still does not tell you everything you need to know about how a FIX works or when you should do a FIX. Back to the main point though. The 38 we currently have on the F16 is not fully "equipped" with the full GPS package so no, it will not update as it should once it is released from the aircraft. So, without it you are going to see some weird behaviors which yes, is normal, but as you can see in the picture it is still accurate. Also, not every jet has or works with the same set of systems as far as DCS goes. For instance, since you want to bring the F18 into this, the F-18 in DCS is from 2002 and uses EGI, whereas the F16 is from 2007 and uses only INS/GPS and you can tell this by the fact that the NAV knob says INS above it. I promise you the systems between that five-year gap is going to be quite large. But to shed some more light on FIX taking here you go. In order to perform a FIX/update certain factors must be met, and they can include: SYS ACCUR, GPS ACCUR, and GPS TRK/NOTRK. Now assuming normal GPS values of <50 feet and GPS in track, the Blended KF will have more confidence in GPS-aiding than a 300ft fix/update. But once the SHE exceeds 300ft for whatever reason, then a fix/update on a known stpt may be recommended. The position delta is estimated from the coords of the stpt. That delta is displayed to you on the FIX page. And talking to actual pilots who have flown older block 50s which had only INS, yes doing fixes was a pretty common thing, especially under certain scenarios. The newer jets with the EGI it is much less common for them to do so. Which is why you don't see it in the F18 I'm guessing. But I'm not going to speak on the F18 because I have never actually worked on it or talked to those pilots so to compare it with the F16 is just useless really. But I think the biggest problem with all this is everyone is complaining about something that ED has made very clear that it is all a WIP. Which sure gets tiring to hear but it is what it is at the end of the day. The GPS in the 38 and other JDAMs will come I'm sure it is just a matter of waiting. But to sit there and complain and not provide any proof of what you are experiencing only hinders advances in making things better. How about instead of complaining, go fly the jet, save the track of the problems you are facing and make a bug report about it in order to make it noticed. And if a bug report already exists then add to it if you can. The more evidence/proof you provide that something is off or seems broken could only help make it better. But from my experience, again, I haven't really noticed anything too off. There is only one thing I noticed, and it is dealing with an Air Start F16. And guess what, I am saving tracks in order to make an actual bug report in order to bring light to that particular problem. I'm not going to make a report making a claim and provide no evidence. ED has made it pretty clear that without a track file or even a video they can't see or know exactly what is going on. Most of the time it can just be a small value that needs to be changed in a Lua. And yeah, me saying go watch a video or go read something can only help the person especially when most of the time it is just user error. Not saying this particular case is, but you never know so to discredit me doing that is pretty crappy of you. But you can't say something doesn't work like it should and provide no proof or evidence that it should work XYZ way. But I will end with this. This JDAM issue isn't so much the F16. It is the JDAM and the lack of GPS on the bomb itself. And so far, I haven't noticed it on any other weapon, but that is mostly due to me dealing with GBU-12s and AGM-65s recently because people seem to be confused with certain things with those. I.e. the popup cue for the 12 still gets people. I am going to do more testing and longer to see if I notice anything out of the norm with the JDAMs. But as of today there is going to be an update I am going to wait and see if there is any changes dealing with that issue. If not I will still run the 38s again but I will also run 31s and JSOWs for the F16 and ONLY the F16. Edit: I also want to mention that I am pretty sure the only mode they seem to have implemented for the JDAM currently is Relative Targeting. What sucks is there is no real way to know as they didn't model the RT under the range carot on the HUD. Almost forgot to mention that. nullnull

True. They should put it under the rearm option so we can add restrictions to it. Maybe that would be a better option?

Also, dont forget that when using the TGP you need to TMS UP long. That will send the SPI data to the JDAM.

Unfortunately that is just the way it works. Do it right the first time and it wont be messed up. Avoid maneuvering while the 65 video is up as well as that will cause some issues too. Also, if you are doing a Hot start or Air start there is no reason to do a boresight unless you really have to. You can also just go back to the TGP as SOI and TMS UP again on the target to update the SPI info to the missile.

I just posted these. Check these out. I bet you are having just a problem with how they work. Obviously watch part 1 first.

nullYa'll should really check the ME better. The option for no helmet sight or NVGs is already there. Now for the L16 option, who knows if they will add it. Maybe when the implement the Transmit Power setting then you can just set that to none in the ME and it will actually work. You can set those right now but the options do not do anything from my experience.

I haven't flown the F18 in a very long time like that so I can't tell you why it works differently other than it is a different jet from I think a slightly different time. Other than that, go to this post where it has been and is being discussed still. Lord Vader explains it pretty decently. https://forum.dcs.world/topic/359039-help-getting-highest-ins-accuracy-for-pre-planned-popups/ And I can understand not being able to use the TGP due to clouds. If you need to use your FCR just make sure you find a really noticeable landmark that can be seen with the Ground Radar. Also, try to do a FIX with the GPS switch off. If you do it with it on the filter inside the jet will still try to correct it. From my experience doing a FX with GPS switch on is really only good for doing it with one stpt and it will move the rest to correct it, but you need to be almost spot on. Also, what he said about the JDAMs. The GPS isn't fully finished yet with them.

Also, you should try to verify your target with either the FCR in GM mode or through your TGP. If using the TGP make sure you TMS UP long to essentially transfer that data to the bomb.

Yes, that is correct and normal. Definitely suggest setting up a FIX point in order to a FIX before ingress. You can do a FIX by pressing ICP 8 "FIX" and you can use your HUD, FCR(GM Mode), TGP, or OFLY. Yes you can do an inflight alignment by going to your NAV switch and right clicking to INFLT ALGN, note to do this you need to make sure you are flying in a straight line in a known direction. But I also wouldnt do this unless you really really have to. Start with a FIX first. Highly suggest you read the manual or watch some videos. Video for doing a FIX Video for inflight aligning

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Like I said, it is not a warning. It is a caution. A Caution and a Warning are two different things. Caution as defined by the USAF is any procedure or technique which could result in damage to equipment and a Warning is any procedure or technique which could result in personal injury or loss of life. Did you even read the forum post I sent you the link for? If you have two tanks, 120s, 9s, bombs on 3 and 7, and a TGP that is a CAT III load. If you drop your bombs you are still CAT III because of the TGP. If you have 4x120, 2x9s, and a CL tank, then that is CAT I but the stores config light will be on. If you have that same loadout but with a TGP that is CAT III. If you have that same loadout but with no TGP but you have 2x Tanks then that is CAT III. It is a weird system I agree, but that is just the way it works. You gotta remember these pilots brief a lot before they go out so they know when they need to flip that switch depending on what they are doing. There wont be another config, but as a pilot you are constantly checking everything inside the cockpit. You are always checking instruments and always checking that caution light panel. And sometimes the pilot wont press the Master Caution Reset just to keep that reminder. Again, you just ignore that caution if you know what your loadout is. And just about every A2G mission has a TGP on the jet so they will always remain in CAT III. So it is a non issue. Dont understand the frustration or disparity with this. I explained that Cautions and Warnings are different. It is just an advisory for the pilot. And if you are doing your periodic cockpit checks then you wont forget it if you just so happen to go to a CAT I condition in flight. This I do not understand. I was just ensuring that you or anyone else that sees this forum understands what the CAT is for. It is not just you that is on this forum you know.

Please refer to this forum above. This is correctly implemented. Not a bug at all I can promise you that. Just to sum it up, it is on you as the pilot to be in the correct CAT regardless of the caution. The caution lights are more of an "advisory" hence them being called "Caution Lights", whereas the lights on the right glare shield for example (Canopy, HYD, OXY etc.) are your warnings and that is why they are red. Also, per the -1-2 any stores with a TGP or TGP and HTS is always CAT III. ECM pods are CAT I unless loaded to a wing station. And any asymmetric loadout (to include when firing off AAMs) is a CAT III condition. Just two wing tanks is CAT I. It is a weird logic system, but it is correct how they implemented it. Like I said per the -1-2 it is up to the pilot to know the correct CAT to be in. The -1-2 shows loadouts and if the CAT box is shaded in then that means the loading CAT in the SMS does not agree with the actual loading CAT in those cases you ignore it and stay in the correct CAT per the manual. The CAT switch does not limit your G at all. With enough speed and the right conditions, you can rip the wings off the jet.

IRL SEC and EPU checks are done prior to anything else per the checklist which you can find publicly.

You can look at the laser codes in SP missions/campaigns via the mission planner.

My bad I wrote those down for my reference and then must've copied pasted the whole thing I wrote. Would you like the pm? @BIGNEWY

It appears that the Tracked Target Symbol, Target Aspect Angle, and the HUD Reticle Aspect Indicator are all tied together. When the Tracked Target Symbol changes every 22.5 degrees (as it should) the Aspect Angle and HUD Aspect Indicator also changes. Only the Tracked Target Symbol should change every 22.5 degrees whereas the Target Aspect Angle should display in tens of degrees. and since the HUD Reticle Aspect Indicator should be tied to the Target Aspect Angle that too should change every ten degrees. This makes it difficult to do base line intercepts as flying 120 AA is ideal for intercepting but on the FCR the AA never reads 12 it only shows 11 and 14 and in some situations it shows 13. All-in-all I think there was some confusion, or it is still a WIP moment. See attached track files and mission files. 22.5 = 22.5 FCR AA reads 2 22.5+22.5 = 45 FCR AA reads 4 or 5 22.5x3 = 67.5 FCR AA reads 7 22.5x4 = 90 FCR AA reads 9 22.5x5 = 112.5 FCR AA reads 11 22.5x6 = 135 FCR AA reads 13 or 14 22.5x7 = 157.5 FCR AA reads 16 22.5x8 = 180 FCR AA reads 18 Only the target symbol should change in those degrees not the AA number. The AA number should change in tens: 11, 12, 13, etc. F16 Aspect Angle Testing from the left.miz F16 Aspect Angle Testing from the right.miz F16 Aspect Angle Test tgt from the left.trk F16 Aspect Angle Test tgt from the right.trk

Yes, the TGP and HTS are both considered CAT III stores. Here we go again. The jet does not know what is installed on stations 5L and 5R. Therefore it is the pilots' responsibility to know what is loaded and to ensure that he stays in the correct CAT. If he has the TGP or HTS pods he is still CAT III. Even after you release stores off of stations 3 and 7 and you get the caution light you should ignore it and stay in CAT III. Remember the jet does not know that you have stores on 5L and 5R. Please refer to my other comments in this forum. Per the -2 TGPs and pods are CATIII regardless of other stores.

In conjunction with the scratchpad tool here is an app called DCS-DTC that will do all the work for you. It will input coords that you grab from the F10 map using the capture function of it. You can setup your MFDs, countermeasures, bingo, tacan, ils, and much more. Setup everything and press load and it will set everything up for you without you doing any work after starting up. https://github.com/the-paid-actor/dcs-dtc/releases

Yeah pretty much what Falconeer said. But again, just remember what is loaded to your jet and ignore as needed. Most situations you can just ignore it. And honestly until ED implements more effects in terms of G loads on equipment you should be alright either way. Ive flown with guys that have never flown in CAT III and have pulled more than enough Gs with certain configurations. But if you want the realism and immersion then you know what to do.

Yes, you will get that warning once anything comes off of sta 3 and 7 when wing weapon pylons are installed. Even when you press Master Caution the caution will stay there. Pressing Master Caution is the same as pressing F-Ack (once implemented for PFLD) you are just acknowledging the warning and you have to do certain things to clear it. Same as when you get any other warning like fuel cautions or Equip Hot, they go away once corrected. But yes, you are still CAT III with those 120s and tanks. And definitely CAT III if you had your TGP/HTS. Refer back to my earlier posts here about ignoring it.

@GregkarCheck my youtube video. It is as in depth as possible. A bit older but I did some things to future proof. Still waiting on a few features like DTC and some others to be in until I update it. But it goes over literally everything. https://youtu.be/HQKxKIHIIRQ?si=uYW7i1gpVXumeTs2

Yes I get that. I'm just saying from what I know it seems to be good as is and is acting as expected. If anything I am shocked that this got implemented and doesnt seem to be bugged lol

@BIGNEWYSo far it seems to be correct as is. Right?

@GregkarNope, they are not. Just remember 6x 9s good to go. Throw 120s on and boom CAT III. I think we all just think they are because most of the time they are paired with A2G munitions and the TGP and HTS pod.

No it should not. As far as I am aware all blocks of the F16 that the USAF has and does fly (including the ones I work on) do not recognize what is on those stations. You gotta remember irl all missions are planned and jets are configured a certain way well in advance so the pilots know exactly what they are going to be flying with. If I get into a mission that someone else made I just pop into F2 real quick and if i cant do that I just check the switches for the left and right hardpoint stations. Typically if there is something on those stations then the switches will automatically be flipper on a hot start. If it is a cold start then turn them on and see if those pages turn on. If they dont turn on then you dont have anything loaded there.