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You could try using some hot glue. :megalol:

243mm and 452mm total height including throttle arms.

I can help. There is some basic - but incomplete - dimension information here: https://www.winwing.cn/static/file/T1-SUPER%20TARUS%20THROTTLE%20BASE-MANUAL%20EN%20V%201.1.pdf And there is full CAD detail here: https://www.winwing.cn/static/file/WINWING_HOTAS_INSTALL_3D_DRAW_V1.1.zip However to read the latter you will need some CAD software. Winwing's plans use Dassault Solidworks, but you can read and modify the files yourself in a free application like Fusion360 which is what I used. The dimensions are partially the problem for me: I have space for the throttle, but not space at my desk for the side panel without causing clearance problems. Hence, I say it again: I don't want to pay for the side panel. LOL... I hope Winwing is getting the message!

Yeah... well... schools n'ospitals 'innit? Meanwhile middle class American families go bankrupt every year because they were unlucky enough - through no fault of their own - to get cancer or whatever that costs $100,000s to treat which soon blows through their health insurance limits. Not having a go at America, but just pointing out that different countries have different systems and you need to consider what is being paid for. (And not saying the money is all spent wisely in European countries... much is wasted).

For sure there is. Calculation is: COST TO YOU = (1 + VAT rate in your EU country) * (Shipping cost + [ (1 + rate of duty) * WINWING PRICE ] ) For example WINWING price $1000 Shipping cost $150 Rate of Duty 3.5% VAT 20% COST TO YOU = (1 + 0.2) * ( 150 + [ (1 + 0.035) * 1000 ] ) = $1422 Note that Duty is charge on the item price excluding shipping. VAT is charged on the cost including shipping and duty! Yeah! Really! Hence when Winwing bundle in stuff I don't want to buy, it costs me a lot extra as I pay shipping and duty on the extras plus VAT charged on the whole lot. It all adds up!!!

Intel's own software takes the i9 to 5.3GHz briefly on 2 golden cores, <<out of the box>>. With a decent i9 / silicon lottery, a capable motherboard and sufficient cooling I would expect an enthusiast with fairly basic skills to get 5.3GHz sustained on four cores. Heck... there are people on this forum with 9th generation 9900K CPUs getting 5.2GHz sustained on 8 cores. And 10th generation improves the die to heatsink thermal interface considerably compared to 9th generation. Explaining this to you is getting boring. I'll leave you to it. Do what you want... I really don't care; be happy.

People are sustaining 5.2 on 9th gen. With substrate thickness reduced 5.3 may be possible. Not saying for sure as I don't know. And I am not upgrading to 10th gen. I am getting 4.8 on Skylake-X, so $500-ish for 200-400 MHz really not worth it. I am waiting for 12th gen or waiting to see what AMD comes up with. Please don't put words into my mouth. I can speak for myself without you distorting what I say.

Okay, so you were just repeating what I said earlier in this thread here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4347746&postcount=27 I was more commenting that AMD increasing threads to 4.8 would not counter Intel running at 5.3! Top AMD chips are already boosting to 4.8. The 15% increase I mentioned in my thread would imply that AMD would get boost clocks above 5 GHz... who knows how high... often these rumours are exaggerated. So more querying your 4.8 bridging the gap to 5.3... does not make sense.

Bump: Alex, please would you sell the throttle separate from the side panel box? You've unbundled pretty much everything else, so why not that too?

How exactly does that counter Intel unless they overclock to 5.3 on water or air?

No: not in that range... both are near as good as each other. I'd buy the cheapest or the one with the least RGB frikkin lazer beams... but that is just me.

I might be wrong about this, but raw single tick memory performance is important too: for sequential memory fetches where you are not activating new columns of the memory. And also the 3866 18-18-18-38 has faster tRAS than the 3200 kit (19.6ms vs 21.2ms). But big picture, this is all swings and roundabouts: main point is not to buy just on basis of speed, but also on latency and price.

The 3200CL14 kit I have is nice, but memory prices and availability of fast memory means if I was choosing now I'd get 32GB kit rated at 3600 16-16-16-36. B-die kit almost certainly. And fast without spending silly money on diminishing returns. 32GB as 16GB you might sometimes hit a bottleneck in DCS. But no more. Or maybe 3866 18-18-18-38 depending on price and availability.

If you have a slow CPU, not much. If you have an overclocked i9-10900K, or similarly fast CPU then yes. Also on AMD platforms RAM speed has a significant difference but you will want to match RAM speed to the infinity fabric clock speed (sensible limit for current AMD platforms is at 3733 CL17).

I love the interactive bar charts: what a clever way of presenting the data!

Comet Lake CPUs are priced below their predecessors on a comparable SKU basis (ie top 6 core, vs top 6 core). They cool better and have multithreading. The only reason to buy a previous generation CPU is if you already own a Z290, Z390 or whatever motherboard and want to upgrade CPU without a new motherboard. Or unless the previous generation CPUs get very heavily discounted or used bargain on eBay. The OP starting this thread was on a much older system requiring a new motherboard so would be an idiot not to get on Z490 if sticking with Intel and in the absence of discounts.

There is some poor information / opinion / analysis / interpretation in this thread in various places. First thing, you have a current top GPU which is being held back by your CPU and memory. I totally understand you wanting to upgrade now. Before you do anything just realise the following: 1) Towards the end of the year Nvidia will release the successor to Turing which is rumoured to be c.40% faster!!! 2) AMD will release Zen 3 CPUs which are rumoured to be c.15% faster that Zen 2 on single threaded performance! So they could really bridge the gap with what intel has been achieving on 14nm, while still reaping the benefits of 7nm. 3) Intel's Z490 platform is likely to be "current" in 2020, 2021 and be replaced by LGA 1700 in 2022: this will bring 10nm lithography to CPUs, PCIe4, probably DDR5 and possibly USB4. Of course a Comet Lake CPU will still work in 2022, but you might well find yourself wanting to upgrade again. Of course in the tech world there is always something new, "better" every year so you would never do anything if you kept waiting and waiting and waiting. The real question should be does you current set up meet your expectations or is it holding you back. It sounds like you are frustrated and it is holding you back. Okay, so I get why you are looking to upgrade. In a nutshell the new Comet Lake CPUs are very good for DCS. I have not seen benchmarks yet, nor do I have one. But what I can say is: 1) i5-10600K, i7-10700K and i9-10900K processors all get the 0.5mm silicon substrate (down from 0.8mm) which helps cooling. And they use solder to attach the IHS. So compared to Coffee Lake and Kaby Lake they are easier to cool on a same number of cores, same clock speed basis. If left at default settings the CPUs will turbo effectively and remain at 125W power draw which is easily coolable with a quality air cooler like a Noctua NH-D15 or BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4 and sufficient case ventilation. Sure you can draw as much as 300W on a 10 core clocked at 5.2GHz all core and that will be much harder to cool but you don't need 5.2GHz on 10 cores to shift your bottleneck significantly in DCS. 2) Probably what you should aim for is 1 or 2 cores boosted to 5GHz or beyond. And the great news is that you can do that with the relatively inexpensive i5 and a good quality motherboard like the Z490I Unity which is available at only c.$270 and an aircooler. 3) If you do go for the i7 or i9, they are costing significantly more and DCS will not use the extra cores (which also generate heat you need to get rid of). However, next generation consoles will have 8 core / 16 thread CPUs, so more games will be written with that CPU capacity in mind. So getting an i7 future proofs you a bit more. If you are just optimising for DCS however then other games are not a concern. But I just mention it. 4) Also if you go i7, it is better binned than the i5. And the i9 is better binned than the i7. 5) And finally i7 and i9 get you the new turbo boost thing... whatever it is called. Meaning you can be lazy and let the CPU overclock itself pretty effectively. But less a concern if you were going to do an manual overlock and power consumption be damned. (Like I would). Conclusion: new Comet Lake CPUs are great for DCS, they are available right now (no waiting for never never), the i5 is great value for DCS. But AMD will likely come up with something equally good for games AND better at other stuff later in the year. And Intel themselves will come up with a bigger technology leap in 2 years. And the GPU market is about to light up again.

Look on the bright side... you just gained 1.8MHz! (Seriously, why don't you send them an email and ask to change the order to the option that suits you best? Unless it has already dispatched that is.)

Hi Alex, Very good: glad that you are selling the throttle separately to the grip. I think this will be a more interesting option to people that already have money invested in other joystick bases which they are happy with. Thrustmaster's throttle however is something that is a very old design now and also something that neither VKB or Virpil have seemed prepared to fundamentally rethink. But your full travel "Super Taurus" is something really very different. I've just taken a look at your website: I see the "Throttle Basic (Super Taurus)" bundles the throttle base, throttle grip and a throttle side panel / button box (all the toggle switches and potentiometers). I really don't want to pay for the side panel / button box. I really just want to buy the unbundled throttle base and grip. Reasons: 1) I fly in VR. 2) The button box would takes up unneccesary space around my desk. 3) Bundling in unwanted items adds to delivery cost (it weights 1.4kg according to your pdf manual) and increases customs import fees, so what might be worth $100 to you (for example) costs the consumer $150. Please can you give customers the option of buying just the throttle base and throttle grip without the button box with all the toggle switches?

Okay, thanks. So it is a replacement item for someone that lost or damaged the original part that came with their grip. Asking as I am thinking about jumping from WarBRD to GF3 into that ecosystem.

Either 3.1 or 5.0 depending on what you are measuring.

Okay... so why would you need replacements or additional ones? Surely the grips come with these.

Yeah:you are not using the HDMI or DP of your motherboard are you? You have you use a spare port on your graphics card. Otherwise the headset will be using the iGPU of the CPU.

Please tell me you are not running your i9-9900 at 3.6GHz.