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put some pics for us plz :)

Fantastic explanation tks a lot

You guess rigth...but already answer my question with this last post :) I will try find the post from you and SK..i really like this kind of info :)

Agree

Here it goes but i found some weird inf there or the onwer ws drunk how in the hell an F-15 can have a 405,0 RCS(m2) in BOLD :) Estimated RCS(m2) F-15 405,0 i Think he just type wrong should be 4,05 B-52 99,5 B-1A 10,0 i Think he just type wrong should be 100,0 Conv. Figther 6,0 B-1B 1,02 Tomahawk 0,05 SR-71 0,014 Bird 0,01 F-22A 0,0065 F-117A 0,003 B-2 0,0014

Ok GG im trying to find some info on net about rs and others stufs...but it is preaty hard.... i have searched in that site SK post some time ago...and find some grapicks about RCS and range detection...but i dont know where the onwer get the info.... i will post some pics...just a moment and tks for the fast reply

Hey britgliderpilot how you know if he can do it ? just to know :D And how you know the raptor cant be detected at 20 km ? any source ? :D i will wait for the exercises 8)

Probably! ...ok 8) Exacly no one knows...maybe he can do it....maybe not :D Im confused...if we're not aware how you know it exists :wink: because no one can prove if it can continue traking (in TWS) if the enemy turn his ECM on ....so i think i will have to travel to lockhed and kill someone to get this info :D this is what i mean...if the enemy know an raptor is out there and maybe if he cant sustaim a TWS lock in an ECM enviroment why dont turn it on....BUT They can use an ECM fligth flying behind the group Remember we dont know if he can do it in TWS :) so the enemy will get an warning tone...and the enemy can turn away also this will lead to an 0:0 ratio :) and while one turn away the others seven can keep geting closer then geting an visual contact.... btw going fast mean more heat....o love mica IR :) . as you said...who knows ?? if pentagon is thinking in cut off some funds to raptor i really dont know why not showing to then how much valuable the raptor is 8) im not telling that... i agree the raptor is a good plane... but i really will wait to it geting in service and participating in some exercises ...IMHO think this is a more REAL measure...even if it dont show all of its pontential cya

This is a BIG number 8:1 8) but this kind of exercise sound like my brother showing to me why i should BUY his car...because it is much bether then my actual Car 8) I know know TWS plus lot of missiles and more dont geting the Raptor on radar i have a few questions: 1- The Raptor can sustain an TWS lock on 8 tagets at once ? 2- The Raptor can sustain an TWS lock on any target if the target have ECM on ? If the answer to the second question is NO...soh teh raptor will have to change to STT or something like that ....and so the others 7 guys will get visual on him...and then ....well i thing he will not survive... even if the raptor use a shot and run tatic we cant do it forever ... and dont know if he can do it 7 times If im wrong can anyone explaim how is posible an 8:1 kill ratio sorry for the poor english

What Exercises ? 8) have a link i wanna read

"You must think in Russian..." :D Hey Stormin it was you ?? in the mig :D that is you new job ?? :lol:

Yes they did :They were at the NATO TLP (Florennes/Belgium) last october/november http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=Dassault%20Rafale%20M&distinct_entry=true BTW, french rafale train quite often with the Belgian F-16s mlu. And they don't simulate magic2/sidewinders only :wink: Have you any info about this exercises ? i really apreciate if you can post here this kind of info cya

Guys just one more Note....i not post this artcle to bring back that OLD figth IAF is bether the USAf ...russian planes are bether etc etc etc.... :D I put the article because very soon we finally can se how the SU will perform against the rafale (until now it dont participate of any exercise) with long range missiles simulated cya

the article was translated from portugues F-15e tomcats should mean F-15 and tomcats but i cant remenber if the f-14 take part in the exercise

Justo to inform....cant remember the site where i get the info ok IAF to send Sukhois to France for Joint exercises: [india News]: New Delhi, Feb 24 : For the first time, India would be sending its much acclaimed Russian SU-30K fighters for joint exercises with the French Air Force in France in june this year. The Sukhoi 30's which had created ripples last year by getting the better of US Air Forces F-15e tomcats in joint manouvres over Gwalior, would this time cross swords with the French Frontline Rafale and upgraded Mirage 2000-5 in the exercises codenamed Garuda II. "A team of Six Sukhoi fighters backed by two IL-78 mid air refuellers would take part in the joint Indo-French fighter exercises", Air Vice Marshal S C Mukul said here. With the Indian Air Forces interaction with foreign air forces becoming almost a yearly ritual, the Force is now developing the Kalaikunda Air base in West Bengal as an arena for Joint training with Foreign air forces. "We are developing international facilties at the base so that it can host such joint manovres" Mukul said addng the airfield would be ready for such events by the end of the year, when it would be the site of second Indo-US fightr exercises. The Americans, who last year did not acede to the IA request for joint exercises involving its frontline F-16 Fighting falcons, has this time agreed to bring these fighters to the Indian soil. The US Air Force action could have been swayed by the fact that Lockheed Martin, the manufacturers of the higly rated fighters, are making a serious bid for the IAF's contract to induct 126 multi-role aircraft. PTI

Yes...tks a lot SK...this make the things more clear :D

Another one... If im at 8k the and my target is also at 8k i firet on him then dive to 5k there is no way he can notch me rigth ?

Re: copy protection This is the best thing i hear here...this kind of security works very well in raven shield

This sould Work to Missile Radar Beam ?? because i think it is not modeled this way in lock on Should be more easy to notch the internarl radar of the missile.... because it dont have enougth power rigth ? Btw...if i make a manouver to avoid my target put his 9 or 3 oclock can i sustain the lock ?? I mean my target will try notch me....he will try keep turning.....so if i try compenste his turn it will still on radar ?

Got it 8)

Hey GG i think this reply is HARD even in Portuguese 8) ...but i will try figure out what you mean :P btw SK i will really apreciate your graphic explanation if you can find it it can make things more clear :D

:shock: Just a moment.... This cant be correct look to the picture: why the enemy should not GET the BLUE contact in the radar ?? The Blue hava a greater closure speedy to the Red And the Green have a lower closure speedy I mean near to Zero should the radar of the Red someway try to FILTER the green ?? I always think the beaming consist in get MY closure speedy to the Enemy as near as ´possible to zero .....so the enemy radar will try to FILTER me thinking im a STATIC object...im Wrong ??

Agree...so we should have A or B fisics modeled aswell....and some people claim it is not the true....i really dont knoe SK can u verify this with the Devs ? So in this Fantasy timeline near 90 rigth ...what model was in REAL Use? You don let any other options.....so Kill me but let me know :wink: . I mean in Lock on no in real life,,,,,I never see someone who can shot it even at 90 KM (in game) is something wrong ? No... we can try find some kind of sources valuable or not we can discuss...Like web info or books etc... Yes i was meaning this.....i get the same conclusion as him get... Im interested in anything that bring Lock on as near as possible to real life.....if this mean we have to get an r-77 with 5km range it is ok to me :P cya and tks again for the fast reply btw you dont sleep man ?? :D

Man this things are getting very confuse.....someone can help me plz.... OK here we go: 1-Whats is the Model of AIM-120 modeled in Lock on ? Model A Model B Model C 2- What model is compatible with lock ERA/TIME A,B or C 3- What is the distinc BASICS caracteristics for each model like: Min and Max Range\Speedy\loft capable 4- What is the Min and Max Range to the R-77 modeled in Lock On 70km or 100km?? because no one here can shot it at 100 Km if the range modeled is 100Km should be a Missile Flight Physics problem ?? like to much drag or anything else??? This question can be used to AIM-120 if the range modeled is not correct If we still with posts like this "I think", "I Guess", "It should be because its so common or basic" we will get to no where :( Like SK say we need sources......with this we can TRY i say TRY figure it out the MOST NEAR real possible...because this kind of information is very restricted With sources we can compare info or verify if the source is good or no. An example SK say it read in f-16 manual no loft capabilitie in the first model to the AIM-120....i think this is a good source....and very confiable....WE dont need him to post a picture from his Manual we are all here trying to improve this SIM.. lets try help each other and GG dont ask to close the tread lets try figure out this kind of info so we can get back on the topic in some way it is related ok :) cya and sorry for the poor english

Будет большое discusion о этом на английском языке форуме но информация avaliable о R-77 очень скоро возможно вы ванты (от русского форума) можете помочь нам бак вы и огорченно для всех ошибок что я сделал в этом столбе меня используете переводчика Rodrigo Monteiro от Бразилии