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Was Mach 2.8 with a combat ready a/c? Meaning, not the Streak Eagle or some other similarly prepared plane. Also, does anyone have real world data to compare to the in-game speeds of the MiG? It's much faster than commonly published real world figures. Pilotasso, I haven't been able to get the 15 to accelerate vertically at all. There was some carry over horizontal acceleration during pull up, but once vertical deceleration begins immediately. It's as if the 15 is modelled too heavy with too much lift. As for speeds, the in-game 15 exceeds the real world 15 through most of the commonly flown altitude range, but suffers from wallowing at higher altitudes when IAS should be high enough for good maneuverability. Does anyone have data re: real world F-15 horizontal acceleration?

Hey Genius, it's "misspelled". Now lighten up, please.

That was from testing LOMAC F-15.

Depends on weight doesn't it? Clean with a 25% fuel load would likely still be above 1:1 at 10k ft. And Rhen, how much does speed change the thrust of those engines? As a side note, notice how the design limit changes depending on engine trim on Yo-Yo's chart?

No, it matched the USAAF's climb schedule. Not the max performance of the plane itself. The thread's around here somewhere. Even SwingKid finally realized that the 15's thrust was very much undermodelled. The thread was about vertical acceleration, if you want to search for it. here: http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=15815&page=5&highlight=vertical+acceleration

I agree. Just trying to be precise (pedantic, if you want). If you noticed, my test at 45k was less than freezing as well. The LOMAC 15 has been tested to be underpowered from sea-level on up. What seems to be the enigma is how ED models thrust v drag v altitude. (and possibly lift v gravity, as well) Because it doesn't seem to match reality.

A sea level temperature of 15 degrees C is standard. IF LOMAC models a standard atmosphere, an in game setting of 5 degrees C should give the 15 mach 2.5 @ 45,000 feet.

The isn't at -10 degrees C, it's 10 degrees C less than standard atmosphere. http://www.desktopaero.com/stdatm.html

At 36,089 feet, geopotential of tropopause, Mach 1 is 573.8 knots. At 45,000 Mach 1 is still 573.8 knots. See Chart A here: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/WindTunnel/Activities/lift_formula.html My original testing was done intentionally just above geopotential of tropopause. So, at 45,000 the 15 is slower than my original test. Another thing to consider is fuel load. The speeds acheived in Yo-Yo's chart were certainly not just before flame out. That makes LOMAC's modelling appear even worse.

I just ran a test at 45,000 feet and 23 degrees F. 1340 knots

From an old thread. Those are the top achievable speeds at that altitude.

This is an F-15 speed chart posted by Yo-Yo from the ED team.

How many times have you joined the LOMAC HL room in the last year, rugg?

Based entirely on flight modeling?

If they were perfect representations of modern aerial combat they would still be entertainment products simply by how they are marketed. You appear to be avoiding the question. Does FC simulate actually flying these planes and what they would actually encounter or is it a game based on those aircraft/encounters?

Your opinion, as LOMAC FC is now.

Same here. Speaking of Mitch, has anybody heard from him? Last I heard, he was ill or something.

TucksonSonny, I really suggest you read what he wrote again. Slowly. With emphasis on comprehension.

For ED or a community member?

It's fairly apparent that that article was written for people who don't know a damn thing about modern aerial combat.

The CIS gets a another completely new flyable a/c and the west gets a missile they are supposed to already have? Yes, you do. Last I heard, "Tank Killers" was the next planned project. And I base my opinions on what ED has actually produced, not what they have said with "no promises".

Try again, GG.

Yep, that's why I mentioned STT mode specifically. The fact that ED "fixed" TWS mode doesn't make it unusable, but more difficult than it should be.

The only way an F-15 can IFF is to see a radar return. ED has continued to find more important things to patch since 1.00. As I have not seen anything to indicate that BS will include implementation of IFF for the Eagle, I suggest you get used to it. Seeing it on radar is the only way. As far as dropped locks, it doesn't happen all the time, but if it does, just reacquire. Or, simply wait until he's a little closer before you lock him up in the first place. Especially if you're in STT mode, you'll want your eyes open to other possible threats as long as possible anyway. Lock him early and you're blind to everything else.