fitness88 Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 I don't know if it's me but regardless of whether I'm at 90 FPS, 45 FPS, 23 FPS there doesn't seem to be a noticeable difference. I know I must be missing something here because flight and graphics seem smooth regardless of what the DCS FPS reads. Also, the FPS changes a lot in VR because of the constant view change while shifting your head.
Brewnix Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Hi Fitness88, Its not just you I have noticed that to! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mud Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Try flying low over some buildings at medium to high speed and look 90° left or right at the buildings. You should notice frame stutter then when at lower fps. Spoiler W10-x64 | B650E Gigabyte Aorus Master | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | Noctua NH-D15 G.Skill Trident ZS Neo DDR5-6000 64Gb | MSI RTX 3080ti Gaming X Asus Xonar AE | VPforce Rhino + TM Hotas Warthog MFG Crosswind pedals | Valve Index
fitness88 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Posted March 12, 2017 Try flying low over some buildings at medium to high speed and look 90° left or right at the buildings. You should notice frame stutter then when at lower fps. Will check it out...I think that's part of my point though. If in fact there is stutter it's less noticeable when using Rift because we focus on a smaller area at a time compared to my 3 monitor set up.
boedha68 Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Try flying low over some buildings at medium to high speed and look 90° left or right at the buildings. You should notice frame stutter then when at lower fps. +1 :smilewink: Yep, you can see that clearly! :D Newest system: AMD 9800X3d, Kingsting 128 GBDDR5, MSI RTX 5090(ready for buying), Corsair 150 Pro, 3xSamsung 970 Pro, Logitech X-56 HOTAS, Pimax Crystal Light (Super is purchased) ASUS 1200 Watt. New system:I9-9900KS, Kingston 128 GB DDR4 3200Mhz, MSI RTX 4090, Corsair H150 Pro RGB, 2xSamsung 970 EVO 2Tb, 2xsamsung 970 EVO 1 TB, Scandisk m2 500 MB, 2 x Crucial 1 Tb, T16000M HOTAS, HP Reverb Professional 2, Corsair 750 Watt. Old system:I7-4770K(OC 4.5Ghz), Kingston 24 GB DDR3 1600 Mhz,MSI RTX 2080(OC 2070 Mhz), 2 * 500 GB SSD, 3,5 TB HDD, 55' Samsung 3d tv, Trackir 5, Logitech HD Cam, T16000M HOTAS. All DCS modules, maps and campaigns:pilotfly:
dburne Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 I have not noticed any difference between 90 and 45 yet either... have been very pleased with the Rift. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero|
Johnny Dioxin Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 I nearly always notice slight stutter - usually when taking off or just after, when looking down at the trees below the aircraft it is most noticable. If I'm just looking out of the front of the canopy it isn't noticable. But flying in helicopters a lot can make it stand out even more. Earlier today during some video recorder beta testing (yes - VR recording direct from the Rift display is coming very soon ;) ) I noticed the FPS counter showing 17 as I was taking off and as soon as I got to about 2000m it steadied at mid 40's. ASW switched off. Rig: Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; Pimax Crystal Light I'm learning to fly - but I ain't got wings With my head in VR - it's the next best thing!
Cibit Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) Fly the spitfire dogfight instant action mission. Do you see the enemy ghosting or blurred when the fps is lower than 45? I do but I have an old PC comparatively:) Also since the latest 2 oculus patches it has become a lot smoother irrespective of FPS Do you use this yet? Its a very useful tool and will help detect lost frames etc https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/47247/oculus-traytool-supersampling-profiles-hmd-disconnect-fixes-hopefully#latest Edited March 12, 2017 by Cibit i5 8600k@5.2Ghz, Asus Prime A Z370, 32Gb DDR4 3000, GTX1080 SC, Oculus Rift CV1, Modded TM Warthog Modded X52 Collective, Jetseat, W10 Pro 64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Adding JTAC Guide //My Vid's//229th AHB
hansangb Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 I don't know if it's me but regardless of whether I'm at 90 FPS, 45 FPS, 23 FPS there doesn't seem to be a noticeable difference. I know I must be missing something here because flight and graphics seem smooth regardless of what the DCS FPS reads. Also, the FPS changes a lot in VR because of the constant view change while shifting your head. This is a function of your HW spec. People on the lower end of the scale suffer more. Curious what your spec is. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
dburne Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Fly the spitfire dogfight instant action mission. Do you see the enemy ghosting or blurred when the fps is lower than 45? I do but I have an old PC comparatively:) Also since the latest 2 oculus patches it has become a lot smoother irrespective of FPS Do you use this yet? Its a very useful tool and will help detect lost frames etc https://forums.oculus.com/community/discussion/47247/oculus-traytool-supersampling-profiles-hmd-disconnect-fixes-hopefully#latest I fly that same Spit mission a lot, and no do not see ghosting or blurred, it is very smooth. However whilst my fps do drop at times to the 45 fps ASW, I have never see them drop below that. Yes I use that tool, mainly to disable power management on my Innatek USB 3.0 PCIe card at each boot. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero|
fitness88 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Posted March 12, 2017 This is a function of your HW spec. People on the lower end of the scale suffer more. Curious what your spec is. I received my AlienWare Aurora R6 a few weeks ago. It has: i7700K 4.20 gig htz can be clocked to 4.40 850 watt power supply, liquid cooled GTX 1080, 8gig vram 16 gig ram ddr4 [matched 16 gig on order] SSD 256 pci-e 2 tb hard drive And the rest...
Cibit Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Nice rig but a liquid cooled PSU seems excessive;) i5 8600k@5.2Ghz, Asus Prime A Z370, 32Gb DDR4 3000, GTX1080 SC, Oculus Rift CV1, Modded TM Warthog Modded X52 Collective, Jetseat, W10 Pro 64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Adding JTAC Guide //My Vid's//229th AHB
fitness88 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) Nice rig but a liquid cooled PSU seems excessive;) To be honest I didn't select it...it came because of the the 'K' processor I believe. BTW, anyone know a good tried and proven driver for X-52 Pro for Windows 10 and is there really an issue with it in a 3.0usb? Edited March 13, 2017 by fitness88
blksolo Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 With that rig you need to bite the bullet and get the Warthog lol Intel i7 6700k OC 4.7ghz Asus ROG Maximus VIII Hero Motherboard Zotac GTX980ti 6GB Amp Extreme 32 GB DDR4 3200 RAM Oculus Rift CV1 Thrustmaster Warthog
cichlidfan Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 With that rig you need to add an SSD to put DCS on. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
hansangb Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 With that rig you need to add an SSD to put DCS on. Looks like he has 256GB SSD and 2TB HD. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
cichlidfan Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Looks like he has 256GB SSD and 2TB HD. Yes. One SSD for the OS and support software, and one for DCS which leaves the 2TB drive for the normal accumulation of stuff. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
hansangb Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Yes. One SSD for the OS and support software, and one for DCS which leaves the 2TB drive for the normal accumulation of stuff. Somehow, I ended up with 8TB for "accumulation" and two SSDs (512 for OS and 1TB for DCS. How mind boggling is that? My first "HardCard" (HD that was meant to be plugged into ISA or EISA slot) was a 10MB variety and I thought I was in HEAVEN. Then I got a 320MB Quantum drive several years later and I *knew* I was in heaven. I remember using PC Tools with floppy hole puncher to double the disc capacity while backing up the HD. Now my watch has 4GB LOL. Good time to be in flight sim'ing. /* now back to tuning my MPCNC */ hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
streakeagle Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Whenever someone says they can't see differences in fps, especially on a scale like double and four times the base fps, I have one suggestion: snap roll as fast you can, preferably at least 360 to 720 degrees and watch the horizon. I have never enjoyed a refresh rate higher than 85 Hz (what my old CRT did), but I could see big differences between 30/60/90 fps while rolling fast. 40-50 fps is the lowest usable fps for me. A smooth 30 looks pretty good, but if you are in a dogfight, it isn't good enough for precision gunnery. I can live with the 60 Hz limit of my current LCD monitor (an old 46" 1080p LCD TV), but I would really like to see 120 Hz at 4K. I can't wait until the hardware capability and price allows me to see that happen. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
fitness88 Posted March 13, 2017 Author Posted March 13, 2017 With that rig you need to add an SSD to put DCS on. Yes that's what I did, quite quick those boot-ups now.
cichlidfan Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) Somehow, I ended up with 8TB for "accumulation" and two SSDs (512 for OS and 1TB for DCS. How mind boggling is that? My desktop machines just have the needed SSDs and 2TB drives for stuff. However, when I add up the drives in my NAS boxes plus the drives used to back them up, all told I have around 35TB in the house these days. There are actually some files, here and there, that are nearly 20 years old! EDIT: Tomorrow I will be receiving 2 more 1TB Caviar Blacks to be dedicated to system disk images. Edited March 13, 2017 by cichlidfan ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
cichlidfan Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Yes that's what I did, quite quick those boot-ups now. Indeed. The first time I booted from an SSD (60GB), I was absolutely stunned. I think I still have that drive in a USB 3.0 external box, somewhere. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
fitness88 Posted March 13, 2017 Author Posted March 13, 2017 My desktop machines just have the needed SSDs and 2TB drives for stuff. However, when I add up the drives in my NAS boxes plus the drives used to back them up, all told I have around 35TB in the house these days. There are actually some files, here and there, that are nearly 20 years old! EDIT: Tomorrow I will be receiving 2 more 1TB Caviar Blacks to be dedicated to system disk images. They do virtual reality TV shows about guys like...
Dojo Posted March 15, 2017 Posted March 15, 2017 ASW switched off. Hey Brixmis, curious about your experience disabling ASW. What differences have you noticed? (If there's a thread where this is already discussed in the context of DCS, please feel free to point me to it, I've been unable to find it.) As an aside, I'll have a 1080Ti later today, switching from a 1080. So I'll post some initial performance comparisons when able. yes - VR recording direct from the Rift display is coming very soon ;) ... You had me at "VR recording direct". You've now managed to earn yourself an ED forum stalker. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
fitness88 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Posted March 15, 2017 Hey Brixmis, curious about your experience disabling ASW. What differences have you noticed? (If there's a thread where this is already discussed in the context of DCS, please feel free to point me to it, I've been unable to find it.) As an aside, I'll have a 1080Ti later today, switching from a 1080. So I'll post some initial performance comparisons when able. ... You had me at "VR recording direct". You've now managed to earn yourself an ED forum stalker. Good question. I'm looking forward to your comparison, I have a 1080. Are you going to do a Futuremark, 3dmark?
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