didilman Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 M2000c will be clickable i wonder what sound it make when starting engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLion213 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 AFM, AFM+, PFM are all EFM, unless they are done by ED, in that case, they are whatever they are :P. EFM simply means External Flight Model, and how 3rd party developer programmed it / how much data was available to them. Personally, while I'd prefer ideally all to be PFM level, I would be absolutely fine with a well done AFM level too, so long as it's not SFM I'm ok. Yes, I'm fine with AFM level as well. It's a question I hesitate to ask, partly because the differences seem a bit murky, even if there is the official post that explains the different concept. I own both the A-10A and A-10C modules (haven't flown them a lot). The A-10A is AFM and the A-10C is PFM, but they really feel the same to me. Mostly I was wondering if the Razbam AFM is the EFM or if it was developed through a separate pathway given their experiences with FSX/P3D. Like most, if it is not SFM I'll be happy with it. -Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svend_Dellepude Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 M2000c will be clickable i wonder what sound it make when starting engine. Since its french, probably something like this! :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7G Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The AFM/SFM/KFC/NSA convolution gives me a migraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel_108 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The AFM/SFM/KFC/NSA convolution gives me a migraine. :D +1 I think they should just ban the SFM term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 It's not that complicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 AFM vs SFM, which one is better? The differences between the AFM and the SFM is as follows: The AFM provides better control to the developer of the aircraft characteristics, with the SFM you surrender all control to the SIM. BUT!!! and there is a very important one: Aerodynamically speaking, a really well done SFM would be indistinguishable from an AFM. In the M2000C case, at this moment it is flying with the best SFM that we could achieve. Her flight characteristics, and that means a lot of graphics curves at different regimes collectively known as drag polars, are as close as possible to the real aircraft. That also includes engine performance as well. Our AFM developer, an aeronautic engineer, created this SFM. Now that we have that SFM, for development purposes and to establish a base against which we can test everything, we are developing the AFM. The AFM takes more time to develop and fine tune, since it gives us total control of the aircraft. So, yes. At this time we are flying with a SFM but eventually we will have our AFM, which right now is in early alpha stage. 1 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook47 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 AFM vs SFM, which one is better? The differences between the AFM and the SFM is as follows: The AFM provides better control to the developer of the aircraft characteristics, with the SFM you surrender all control to the SIM. BUT!!! and there is a very important one: Aerodynamically speaking, a really well done SFM would be indistinguishable from an AFM. In the M2000C case, at this moment it is flying with the best SFM that we could achieve. Her flight characteristics, and that means a lot of graphics curves at different regimes collectively known as drag polars, are as close as possible to the real aircraft. That also includes engine performance as well. Our AFM developer, an aeronautic engineer, created this SFM. Now that we have that SFM, for development purposes and to establish a base against which we can test everything, we are developing the AFM. The AFM takes more time to develop and fine tune, since it gives us total control of the aircraft. So, yes. At this time we are flying with a SFM but eventually we will have our AFM, which right now is in early alpha stage. That explanation is more than suitable to me! Can't wait for the release, and please put up the pre-sale soon so we can all throw wads of money at you guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix FR Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I hope that pre order will give access to alpha or beta. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bidartarra Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 The moment you add a line reading M2000 in your monthly expenses forecast... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didilman Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 French people are coming for the M2000C. Cool thing Ill be able to shoot some compatriot. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramstein Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 For Sale, French Mirage, dropped once, never fired... (hope we have humor here...) ASUS Strix Z790-H, i9-13900, WartHog HOTAS and MFG Crosswind G.Skill 64 GB Ram, 2TB SSD EVGA Nvidia RTX 2080-TI 55" Sony OLED TV, Oculus VR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Since its french, probably something like this! :D Renault is the worst French car manufacturer. choose Citroën: better, harder, stronger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 For Sale, French Mirage, dropped once, never fired... (hope we have humor here...) Well if you drop a Mirage, I don't think it will be in a functioning condition anymore unlike some rifle ;) Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domini99 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 This thread is more active than any other thread in the forum right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJQCN101 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) The difference between AFM and the SFM....Well, Think about this: Is there any stability characteristics such as dutch roll mode or roll mode or spiral mode which you can test in SFM? Edited September 10, 2015 by LJQCN101 EFM / FCS developer, Deka Ironwork Simulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7G Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 It's not that complicated When you know about it, yeah, you're right. If I were a new customer and I saw all these terms applied to different product (yet all mean the same thing) I would be bamboozled, bamboozled I tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipp Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 AFM vs SFM, which one is better? Aerodynamically speaking, a really well done SFM would be indistinguishable from an AFM. Which do you plan to have on the release? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skjold Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Which do you plan to have on the release? :) +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbik Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I think they will go with beta of AFM... Just my gues. :) Do, or do not, there is no try. -------------------------------------------------------- Sapphire Nitro+ Rx Vega 64, i7 4790K ... etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I surely hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivoune Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 In the M2000C case, at this moment it is flying with the best SFM that we could achieve. Her flight characteristics [...] are as close as possible to the real aircraft [...] Now that we have that SFM [...] we are developing the AFM. So, yes. At this time we are flying with a SFM but eventually we will have our AFM, which right now is in early alpha stage. From a page ago guys. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charly_Owl Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 AFM vs SFM, which one is better? The differences between the AFM and the SFM is as follows: The AFM provides better control to the developer of the aircraft characteristics, with the SFM you surrender all control to the SIM. BUT!!! and there is a very important one: Aerodynamically speaking, a really well done SFM would be indistinguishable from an AFM. In the M2000C case, at this moment it is flying with the best SFM that we could achieve. Her flight characteristics, and that means a lot of graphics curves at different regimes collectively known as drag polars, are as close as possible to the real aircraft. That also includes engine performance as well. Our AFM developer, an aeronautic engineer, created this SFM. Now that we have that SFM, for development purposes and to establish a base against which we can test everything, we are developing the AFM. The AFM takes more time to develop and fine tune, since it gives us total control of the aircraft. So, yes. At this time we are flying with a SFM but eventually we will have our AFM, which right now is in early alpha stage. In some very specific cases, the inclusion of AFM makes a big difference. I'm mainly thinking of ground handling characteristics. I could see noticeable differences between the pre-efm F-15/Su-27 and its post-efm counterparts. This is part of the reason why so much work is being done on AFM for current SFM aircraft like the Hawk and the C-101. It can make a big difference in specific scenarios... maybe less noticeable during normal flying operation. But the minute you go near the borders of the flight envelope or trespass them, this is where AFM really shines. I'm glad you guys are working on it: take all the time you need. I'm sure it'll be a fantastic product if it's up to DCS standards. :thumbup: Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Chuck's Guides on Mudspike Chuck's Youtube Channel Chuck's Patreon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Chaff and Flares test. Unfortunately only the flare is visible. :( "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didilman Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Can you tell me what range to shoot the 530? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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