DCS Mirage 2000C Discussion

[didilman]

M2000c will be clickable i wonder what sound it make when starting engine.

[BlackLion213]

AFM, AFM+, PFM are all EFM, unless they are done by ED, in that case, they are whatever they are :P.

 

EFM simply means External Flight Model, and how 3rd party developer programmed it / how much data was available to them.

 

Personally, while I'd prefer ideally all to be PFM level, I would be absolutely fine with a well done AFM level too, so long as it's not SFM I'm ok.

 

Yes, I'm fine with AFM level as well. It's a question I hesitate to ask, partly because the differences seem a bit murky, even if there is the official post that explains the different concept.

 

I own both the A-10A and A-10C modules (haven't flown them a lot). The A-10A is AFM and the A-10C is PFM, but they really feel the same to me.

 

Mostly I was wondering if the Razbam AFM is the EFM or if it was developed through a separate pathway given their experiences with FSX/P3D.

 

Like most, if it is not SFM I'll be happy with it.

 

-Nick

[Svend_Dellepude]

M2000c will be clickable i wonder what sound it make when starting engine.

 

Since its french, probably something like this! :D

 

[J7G]

The AFM/SFM/KFC/NSA convolution gives me a migraine.

[Manuel_108]

The AFM/SFM/KFC/NSA convolution gives me a migraine.

 

:D +1

 

I think they should just ban the SFM term.

[Paradox]

It's not that complicated

[Zeus67]

AFM vs SFM, which one is better?

 

The differences between the AFM and the SFM is as follows:

 

The AFM provides better control to the developer of the aircraft characteristics, with the SFM you surrender all control to the SIM.

 

BUT!!! and there is a very important one:

 

Aerodynamically speaking, a really well done SFM would be indistinguishable from an AFM.

 

In the M2000C case, at this moment it is flying with the best SFM that we could achieve. Her flight characteristics, and that means a lot of graphics curves at different regimes collectively known as drag polars, are as close as possible to the real aircraft. That also includes engine performance as well. Our AFM developer, an aeronautic engineer, created this SFM.

 

Now that we have that SFM, for development purposes and to establish a base against which we can test everything, we are developing the AFM. The AFM takes more time to develop and fine tune, since it gives us total control of the aircraft.

 

So, yes. At this time we are flying with a SFM but eventually we will have our AFM, which right now is in early alpha stage.

[Hook47]

AFM vs SFM, which one is better?

 

The differences between the AFM and the SFM is as follows:

 

The AFM provides better control to the developer of the aircraft characteristics, with the SFM you surrender all control to the SIM.

 

BUT!!! and there is a very important one:

 

Aerodynamically speaking, a really well done SFM would be indistinguishable from an AFM.

 

In the M2000C case, at this moment it is flying with the best SFM that we could achieve. Her flight characteristics, and that means a lot of graphics curves at different regimes collectively known as drag polars, are as close as possible to the real aircraft. That also includes engine performance as well. Our AFM developer, an aeronautic engineer, created this SFM.

 

Now that we have that SFM, for development purposes and to establish a base against which we can test everything, we are developing the AFM. The AFM takes more time to develop and fine tune, since it gives us total control of the aircraft.

 

So, yes. At this time we are flying with a SFM but eventually we will have our AFM, which right now is in early alpha stage.

 

That explanation is more than suitable to me! Can't wait for the release, and please put up the pre-sale soon so we can all throw wads of money at you guys!

[Phoenix FR]

I hope that pre order will give access to alpha or beta. :)

[Bidartarra]

The moment you add a line reading M2000 in your monthly expenses forecast...

 

:D

[didilman]

French people are coming for the M2000C.

Cool thing Ill be able to shoot some compatriot. :)

[Ramstein]

For Sale, French Mirage, dropped once, never fired... (hope we have humor here...)

[sedenion]

Since its french, probably something like this! :D

 

 

Renault is the worst French car manufacturer. choose Citroën: better, harder, stronger...

 

[QuiGon]

For Sale, French Mirage, dropped once, never fired... (hope we have humor here...)

 

Well if you drop a Mirage, I don't think it will be in a functioning condition anymore unlike some rifle ;)

[domini99]

This thread is more active than any other thread in the forum right now

[LJQCN101]

The difference between AFM and the SFM....Well,

 

Think about this: Is there any stability characteristics such as dutch roll mode or roll mode or spiral mode which you can test in SFM?

Edited September 10, 2015 by LJQCN101

[J7G]

It's not that complicated

 

When you know about it, yeah, you're right. If I were a new customer and I saw all these terms applied to different product (yet all mean the same thing) I would be bamboozled, bamboozled I tell you.

[Slipp]

AFM vs SFM, which one is better?

Aerodynamically speaking, a really well done SFM would be indistinguishable from an AFM.

 

 

Which do you plan to have on the release? :)

[Skjold]

Which do you plan to have on the release? :)

 

+1

[Jumbik]

I think they will go with beta of AFM... Just my gues. :)

[Paradox]

I surely hope so

[Vivoune]

In the M2000C case, at this moment it is flying with the best SFM that we could achieve. Her flight characteristics [...] are as close as possible to the real aircraft

 

[...]

 

Now that we have that SFM [...] we are developing the AFM.

 

So, yes. At this time we are flying with a SFM but eventually we will have our AFM, which right now is in early alpha stage.

 

From a page ago guys.

[Charly_Owl]

AFM vs SFM, which one is better?

 

The differences between the AFM and the SFM is as follows:

 

The AFM provides better control to the developer of the aircraft characteristics, with the SFM you surrender all control to the SIM.

 

BUT!!! and there is a very important one:

 

Aerodynamically speaking, a really well done SFM would be indistinguishable from an AFM.

 

In the M2000C case, at this moment it is flying with the best SFM that we could achieve. Her flight characteristics, and that means a lot of graphics curves at different regimes collectively known as drag polars, are as close as possible to the real aircraft. That also includes engine performance as well. Our AFM developer, an aeronautic engineer, created this SFM.

 

Now that we have that SFM, for development purposes and to establish a base against which we can test everything, we are developing the AFM. The AFM takes more time to develop and fine tune, since it gives us total control of the aircraft.

 

So, yes. At this time we are flying with a SFM but eventually we will have our AFM, which right now is in early alpha stage.

 

In some very specific cases, the inclusion of AFM makes a big difference. I'm mainly thinking of ground handling characteristics. I could see noticeable differences between the pre-efm F-15/Su-27 and its post-efm counterparts. This is part of the reason why so much work is being done on AFM for current SFM aircraft like the Hawk and the C-101. It can make a big difference in specific scenarios... maybe less noticeable during normal flying operation. But the minute you go near the borders of the flight envelope or trespass them, this is where AFM really shines.

 

I'm glad you guys are working on it: take all the time you need. I'm sure it'll be a fantastic product if it's up to DCS standards. :thumbup:

[Zeus67]

Chaff and Flares test. Unfortunately only the flare is visible. :(

 

[didilman]

Can you tell me what range to shoot the 530?