Vähäkylä Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 The Su27 has a working datalink and flying with it makes finding airfields, friends, wingmen and enemies easier. The F15C really needs this. Playing on the hardcore settings without any visual aids would be way more fun if I would actually have other way of identifying non-targeted planes than eyeballing for them. The MFDFC3 mod helps a little bit, but provides no information on other planes. Somekind of mod or for the love of God, a little work from ED to implement this and get it to similar usability with the SU27.
Vähäkylä Posted May 29, 2014 Author Posted May 29, 2014 I know what the radar is and I know how to use. What it is not is a datalink, since it can't show me information from behind me, around me and it can't show me airfields, either. There is no excuse for such a lack in the F15C, considering that the SU27 gets it.
NoJoe Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 Well, does the real counterpart of the specific F-15C that's modeled in FC3 have those features you're looking for? If not then they shouldn't be simulated here either.
Witchking Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 Well, does the real counterpart of the specific F-15C that's modeled in FC3 have those features you're looking for? If not then they shouldn't be simulated here either. THis! ED have stated many times that "Balance" is not necessarily a critical factor in DCS line of aircraft. The F-15C in real-life does not have that MFD with that information and thats why you won't get it in the game. Another idea is to use your AWACS to ask for information. WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA|
Svend_Dellepude Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 You have the kneeboard now. thats a great help to navigate. pull it up, mark your position and it doesn't take much brainwork from there. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD.
lunaticfringe Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 The F-15C in real-life does not have that MFD with that information and thats why you won't get it in the game. You want to make a bet? :lol: That it currently is not modeled in DCS is a matter for DCS:F-15C as a complete module, rather than the FC offshoot. It will come in due course.
SkateZilla Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 Does the Actual F-15C in Real life have a TAD Page on it's MFD? I don't remember seeing one... Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
GGTharos Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 No, it doesn't. It has a SIT page. Does the Actual F-15C in Real life have a TAD Page on it's MFD? I don't remember seeing one... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
RIPTIDE Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 The Su27 has a working datalink and flying with it makes finding airfields, friends, wingmen and enemies easier. The F15C really needs this. . The F-15C doesn't need any of that to find airfields. If you need a TAD to find wingmen, things are not going well. Enemies? Ok a Datalink would help. Really... when you fly around for long enough, you'll know the place like the back of your hand. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SDsc0rch Posted May 29, 2014 Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) what's "TAD"? (pardon my ignorance....) -- nevermind - "tactical awareness display" ---- google is my friend! --- but.. i was gonna say - if the real jet's got it (and "lunatic fringe's" response seems to indicate it has) then.. i'd say we "should" do it! to me its not a question of "need" - its a question of realism and SIMULATION of the real deal Edited May 29, 2014 by SDsc0rch i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SDsc0rch Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 The F15C is not a full DCS module, its a simplified FC3 version. It is what it is. If or when ED decides to release a full DCS version of the F15C, with properly modeled systems and a detailed fully interactive cockpit then we can start complaining about missing features (if there are any). At this time I feel that ED's time is better spent on fixing the current issues and bugs within FC3, rather than introducing any new systems in a module that is very far from a simulation of the real deal, at least as far as avionics are concerned. i see then, IS IT the plan (does anybody know?) to bring F-15C up to "full" standards? (i would think "yes" since they've gone to all the trouble to make the physics engine so detailed - why NOT continue and bring the avionics up to speed as well...) i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
sobek Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 then, IS IT the plan (does anybody know?) to bring F-15C up to "full" standards? What's "full standard"? Their plan is to possibly expand on what systems of the plane currently in the sim are modelled in detail. That has nothing to do with the suite that is going to be modelled. Regarding newer version of the F-15C, it is next to impossible to get good information, even simple fotos of current pits are hard to come by. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
GGTharos Posted May 30, 2014 Posted May 30, 2014 If something is not happening, it means resources are allocated to a different project. Does it mean that your favorite thing won't happen? No Does it mean that your favorite thing will happen? No And unless ED themselves say they're working on something, then assume it isn't in the cards unless otherwise indicated. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Davis0079 Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 ....for those that need to hear it, again...They are NOT working on a clickable "DCS" F-15....stop asking....yes, we all know it would be cool, but there are many cool things on the REAL "To-Do" list and redoing the F-15 again (lost count since LOMAC 1) is NOT one of them. It only takes two things to fly, Airspeed and Money.
SDsc0rch Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 reference: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1749105&postcount=1 relevant part.. "This is not to say that we will not also continue to create very high level of detail simulations. At a later point, we will further develop these aircraft to include mouse clickable cockpit and the same level of detail as the DCS: A-10C Warthog, but that is a massive effort that will take time." boom! i especially like the part where he says... "In the meantime, the F/A-18C Hornet is still planned but we want it to be at the same level as our A-10C. Because of this, development will take much longer compared to the Eagle and Flanker projects to be released this year." love it! 8) i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Davis0079 Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 yeah...boom on me.....i just have one piece of advise for you....dont hold your breath... p.s. the release of the f-15 this year already happened....and its not clickable....same is going to be with the Flanker....hes talking AFM (advanced flight models) and single plane purchase (no need to buy whole FC3 game)....not a release of DCS quality Eagle and Flanker cockpits.... Dont hold your breath It only takes two things to fly, Airspeed and Money.
Hobo Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) No offense Davis, but I think you need to calm down and read that post again. What Wags post it is referring to, from the way I read it, is that the Eagle and Flanker will be released with a AFM for each. F15C was technically release March 8th according to this post: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=122751 At a later point, we will further develop these aircraft to include mouse clickable cockpit and the same level of detail as the DCS: A-10C Warthog, but that is a massive effort that will take time. So therefore, that post alone partially negates your post of: They are NOT working on a clickable "DCS" F-15....stop asking....yes Could very well be that they currently are not working on it; however, the post does say at a future date they will further develop it. So unless you are an ED representative, I would suggest refraining from speaking in absolutes without proper documentation. SDsc0rch was asking if they're planning on it and simple response using the following post would be yes: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1749105&postcount=1 . I am not holding my breath on a clickable pit release anytime this year. It'll probably be a couple more years until we see it, kinda like EDGE. :) Edited June 1, 2014 by Hobo 1
Davis0079 Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) ...calmer then you are... ...i dont have a problem with ppl dreaming.. ..and I know all about the past press releases.. ..I'm not speaking in absolutes....but a clickable F-15 will not be seen around here anytime soon....we will be lucky if you can count the years on one hand....too many other for sure things have already been spoken in front of a FC3 upgrade to DCS clickability....I cant believe I even have to convince you of this.. ...this is my last post on this subject...Best wishes and good luck to all.... ...this is a current list of things being worked on...tracked by the community...it is very long...and very incomplete....lots have already been done...and much more is to come.... http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=116893 .... this is on it (F-15 - Clickable cockpit (planned))....but the over/under is 7 years...place your bets accordingly.... Edited June 5, 2014 by Davis0079 It only takes two things to fly, Airspeed and Money.
VTJS17_Fire Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Btw, two things that the real F-15C is equipped with, but we don't have these in DCS: + Bullseye information in VSD/ FCR + Datalink (Link 16) ... that would be my priority. A full real TEWS (or well modelled SPJ/ chaff/ flare function like in the A-10C [manual, semi-active, automatic modes]), A/A TCN, Radios would also be nice ... :music_whistling: :D regards, Fire PS: IIRC, the F-15C has not only it's FCR, it has also an digital HSI with communicate with the Link 16, which mean you have a "TAD" without a moving map. 1 Hardware: Intel i5 4670K | Zalman NPS9900MAX | GeIL 16GB @1333MHz | Asrock Z97 Pro4 | Sapphire Radeon R9 380X Nitro | Samsung SSDs 840 series 120GB & 250 GB | Samsung HD204UI 2TB | be quiet! Pure Power 530W | Aerocool RS-9 Devil Red | Samsung SyncMaster SA350 24" + ASUS VE198S 19" | Saitek X52 | TrackIR 5 | Thrustmaster MFD Cougar | Speedlink Darksky LED | Razor Diamondback | Razor X-Mat Control | SoundBlaster Tactic 3D Rage ### Software: Windows 10 Pro 64Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
howie87 Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 To be honest, the CMS auto and semi auto modes in the A-10 are useless and semi useless respectively. The threat priority coding is kinda broken. If a radar threat is bugging you and a manpad launches at you, it puts out chaff. I always end up using manual mode.
SDsc0rch Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 Btw, two things that the real F-15C is equipped with, but we don't have these in DCS: + Bullseye information in VSD/ FCR + Datalink (Link 16) ... that would be my priority. A full real TEWS (or well modelled SPJ/ chaff/ flare function like in the A-10C [manual, semi-active, automatic modes]), A/A TCN, Radios would also be nice ... regards, Fire PS: IIRC, the F-15C has not only it's FCR, it has also an digital HSI with communicate with the Link 16, which mean you have a "TAD" without a moving map. ^this!^ yes! thank you!! note - the F-15C is still officially listed as "open beta" in the DCS e-shop ---- so that is hopeful that means they acknowledge its an un-finished product and there is more to be done that's good! and.. judging by ED's (et al) previous work (especially the A-10C) and their attention to detail and commitment to realism.. I think the devs themselves *personally* want to build something as true-to-form as (legally) possible i think we're gonna have a kickass F-15C sim on our hands we already do but i think it will be even better the best ever - and probably will be the standard for a long time to come just look at everything they've done up till now! i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
lunaticfringe Posted June 5, 2014 Posted June 5, 2014 I always laugh when the definitive is used as to what ED is going to do with the F-15C with regards to future systems modelling. You don't put the money into making the cockpit clickable if you don't intend to use it. And it *is* clickable. The animations are there- they simply have not been activated yet or tied to in-game functions. Thus, it is only a matter of when. Maybe this year, may be next, may be 2016, 2017, or 2018. But it is part of the plan.
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